Windows 8 Is Garbage

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OEMs hate it
Game devs hate it
IT hates it
Consumers are torn about it

This thing is gonna flop hard, because Windows 8 is just garbage. Could anyone disagree?

[usb hub]

I've seen it, looks the same as Win 7 but has a touch screen feature.

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I've seen it, looks the same as Win 7 but has a touch screen feature.

It's an OS for a tablet slapped onto a desktop, it doesn't work and it sucks

[Azula]

Well if Gabe hates it, I hate it.

[Black Spirit]

Nothing special... I think it's fine.

[~▲†▲~]

Well if Gabe hates it, I hate it.

Gabe has a very good reason for hating it:

Steam can't be in the metro interface. They are blocked by design - transactions require usage of Microsoft's store, just like on iOS. And they can't install games either. They can still, for now, run in the classic desktop, but that's only available on x86. And Microsoft is positioning that version as an expensive niche.

We are not going to see midrange laptops running that version of Windows at all. And touch support is not going to be available outside of metro.

This doesn't just affect Steam. Actually, the whole strategy together with the .net lockin of metro, affects lots of open source projects as well.

[legend2579]

I've seen it and watched some customer reviews about it, and tbh it sucks.

[J3NNiF3R]

[Wolframium]

I'm not so sure about what everyone says. I've been using it as my main OS since about the end of April, and non-withstanding a few bugs that have been fixed since then, its been a pretty good OS. There's lots of new features, better performance, and plenty of other improvements. Further, while some people might not like the metro interface on a desktop OS, I've found that you almost never need to use it except for search, where it actually works quite well. I don't think that it will be the greatest success, but it doesn't really have to be.

I've also tried it on touch, and there its a bit more mixed. The metro interface is GREAT for touch, but it needs a bit of refinement so you can do everything without being kicked to the desktop. However, I anticipate that MS will work toward fixing those problems.

Basically, I don't see any problem with windows 8.

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[Wolframium]

Wait, what about the new task manager, file copy dialog, metro interface, native USB 3.0 support, better printer support, better system restore/reset, better login methods, better ribbon interfaces, ability to put it on a sub stick, better account management, better boot times, better virtualization, better .VHD support, better video support, boot security, and a few others I can't think of.

[~▲†▲~]

I'm not so sure about what everyone says. I've been using it as my main OS since about the end of April, and non-withstanding a few bugs that have been fixed since then, its been a pretty good OS. There's lots of new features, better performance, and plenty of other improvements. Further, while some people might not like the metro interface on a desktop OS, I've found that you almost never need to use it except for search, where it actually works quite well. I don't think that it will be the greatest success, but it doesn't really have to be.

I've also tried it on touch, and there its a bit more mixed. The metro interface is GREAT for touch, but it needs a bit of refinement so you can do everything without being kicked to the desktop. However, I anticipate that MS will work toward fixing those problems.

Basically, I don't see any problem with windows 8.

I'll tell you what the problem is:

Metro interface on a desktop OS, I've found that you almost never need to use it

You never need to use it because it's a shitty, ugly, useless interface. When I look at Metro, I see gaudy colors, boxy designs, applications that can either run as a small tile or as full screen with no way to resize or move windows. Where have I seen this before? Wait, I know! Windows 1.0!

Everyone knows the Windows interface already (and it's great). Why fix what's not broken?

[Wolframium]

I'll tell you what the problem is:



You never need to use it because it's a shitty, ugly, useless interface. When I look at Metro, I see gaudy colors, boxy designs, applications that can either run as a small tile or as full screen with no way to resize or move windows. Where have I seen this before? Wait, I know! Windows 1.0!

Everyone knows the Windows interface already (and it's great). Why fix what's not broken?

They didn't, that's why there's still a desktop. My point is that if you don't want to use it, you almost never have to.
Further, the very qualities you say make it suck make it so great for touch, and if you don't have touch, then you don't really have to use metro. The only thing you'd even possibly need it for is universal search, where it works quite well.

[PrinceAceII]

Wait, what about the new task manager, file copy dialog, metro interface, native USB 3.0 support, better printer support, better system restore/reset, better login methods, better ribbon interfaces, ability to put it on a sub stick, better account management, better boot times, better virtualization, better .VHD support, better video support, boot security, and a few others I can't think of.

My head hurts o.o

[~▲†▲~]

They didn't, that's why there's still a desktop. My point is that if you don't want to use it, you almost never have to.
Further, the very qualities you say make it suck make it so great for touch, and if you don't have touch, then you don't really have to use metro. The only thing you'd even possibly need it for is universal search, where it works quite well.

But why why why are they developing a touch screen OS for desktops. I don't like what they're trying to push with that.

Sure I can use the "classic interface" instead, but why not just use Windows 7 instead? Hahaha, I think I will.

I can't name one thing about Windows 8 that you don't already get from Windows 7 or some other desktop operating system. I can't think of a single significant new improvement in Windows 8. The ability to refresh the operating system? Faster booting? A Windows Store? Live boot from a USB drive? All these features have been around in other operating systems for years, and while sure, they're nice, put them all together and at most they're worth a Windows 7 Service Patch--not a whole new operating system.

[Rarity]

I have Mountain Lion (OS X 10.8) so it makes no difference to me.

However, from what I have seen, Windows 8 seems to have an identity crisis. It tries too hard to be tablet friendly from the Metro interface and an "App Store" for windows apps. At the same time, it tries to maintain a "traditional" windows client. This is Microsoft trying to put windows on anything, that's why they are starting to support devices running on the ARM platform. Hell, might as well just throw Windows 8 on a fridge for all I care.

[SK - JazZ~DoteroO]

Well if Gabe hates it, I hate it.

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[Wolframium]

But why why why are they developing a touch screen OS for desktops. I don't like what they're trying to push with that.

Sure I can use the "classic interface" instead, but why not just use Windows 7 instead? Hahaha, I think I will.

I can't name one thing about Windows 8 that you don't already get from Windows 7 or some other desktop operating system. I can't think of a single significant new improvement in Windows 8. The ability to refresh the operating system? Faster booting? A Windows Store? Live boot from a USB drive? All these features have been around in other operating systems for years, and while sure, they're nice, put them all together and at most they're worth a Windows 7 Service Patch--not a whole new operating system.

What is windows 7 then? It added less new features, yet you still seem to have no problem with it. Basically, every single windows update can be seen as "previous version service patch" because if they are going to commit to releasing a new OS every two or three years, there's only so much you can add. Further, once again, Microsoft doesn't really count on people upgrading, they count on OEMs installing it, which is what will happen. And yes, many of those features have been in other operating systems before, but that's a given with almost every single OS. However, I still see no reason why windows 7 has any real advantage over windows 8.

[Scythe]

As long as I can Fold, I'm fine...

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What is windows 7 then? It added less new features, yet you still seem to have no problem with it. Basically, every single windows update can be seen as "previous version service patch" because if they are going to commit to releasing a new OS every two or three years, there's only so much you can add. Further, once again, Microsoft doesn't really count on people upgrading, they count on OEMs installing it, which is what will happen. And yes, many of those features have been in other operating systems before, but that's a given with almost every single OS. However, I still see no reason why windows 7 has any real advantage over windows 8.

7 is probably one of the best desktop operating systems to date. Frankly I don't know why they do commit to that, but if it results in stuff like this they should probably stop that.

Frankly, if Microsoft wanted to make a mobile OS, they're just stupid. I'm not afraid to call Microsoft stupid, because they can be and have been in the past. I realize the idea of Metro is to be touchscreen friendly, but they are just too late for that. If Microsoft was bringing something truly revolutionary to mobile devices, or they were still able to strong-arm OEMs into loading Windows on their devices, I think they'd have a shot at the mobile space. Neither is true. That's Android and iOS battlegrounds. On top of that, the U.S. phone carriers have no interest in a Windows Phone. Too old, too slow Microsoft is arriving much too late to the 2010s style of mobile computing to be a significant player and that means Windows 8 Metro won't find an audience either.

Most Windows users have just upgraded from XP to 7 in, at best, November 2011. Microsoft is now asking for its users to switch to a platform with no significant improvements, a radically different interface, and which is very likely to have few applications. The result? Window 8 will be dead on arrival.