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Thread: Child Discipline

  1. #81
    I think it's horrible..
    There are way more ways than that to raise your children.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by ASilva93 View Post
    " your parents are divorced" Nearly 50% of first marriages end in divorce
    " they forced your left handed brother to become right handed for whacky religious reasons" Christianity is the most popular religion in the world and the bible is that which goes against being left-handed
    " you knocked 4 of your brother's teeth out" Which was unintentional. I was attempting an assisted backflip when that happened. Surely, if I did it on purpose I would have been arrested.
    "you've grown up to want to own a gun" I actually own a couple of fire arms. A .22 caliber rifle and a 12 gauge shotgun. You treat owning a gun like it's a bad thing. Go ahead and list all the statistics against it and I will still reply with A) firearms saved my handicapped uncle from being beaten with a hammer and B) nothing bad has ever happened in 3 generations of my family owning firearms, which I attribute to proper firearm safety being taught nearly from birth.

    More than 60% of the kids in my English Language and Composition class anonymously claimed to have been beaten as children, and surely all of them can't be as horrible of beings as you make my family and I out to be.
    I think beating kids is one of the archaic behaviours which still holds strong in your culture, such as believing nonsense about forcing sinistrous people to become dextrous can be justified just because christianity is a tenacious religion, or a tradition of familiarising children with firearms nearly from birth. Even comparable to unnecessary circumcision- 50% of American males are circumcised for unnecessary archaic religious reasons, and yet so many of them defend their parents' choice to mutalate them, as has become evident by example on this website.

    What would you percieve, looking at a group of southern pacific islanders, who remove their sons' front teeth with a sharp stone? What would you percieve, looking at a Catholic choir boy being castrated to cure suspected homosexuality?
    What would you percieve, looking at a Christian man beat his slaves?
    [all of which were formerly not uncommon archaic practices]

    Are these behaviours rationalised just by the fact other people also practice them? No, that's arbitrary reasoning- and it's the reason you dismiss statistical evidence [or proof, as this western society has come to know it after centuries of struggle], in favour of anecdotes and archaism.

    Just because something is the done thing doesn't make it the right thing, just because an idea is tenacious doesn't make it worthy.


    Quote Originally Posted by ASilva93 View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong but "The people of Israel sent tribute by him to Eglon the king of Moab." means that they put him to death for being left handed. Also, the others imply being left handed is inferior and means that the person is foolish. I also believe this plays into why when people are being sworn in, they must put their right hand on the bible.

    The bible also claims that the entirity of humanity was doomed by a talking snake which convinced a woman, made from a rib, to eat a magical fruit.

    You can't take it seriously, especially when it encourages hateful treatment of other people- that's sick.


    Quote Originally Posted by ASilva93 View Post
    You really fail to realize that this is not appropriate for this thread (which is about child discipline, not what are divorce percentages). My statistics are for the United States, yours are for the entire world. The vast majority of people here live in the United States.

    Back on topic...

    The NY Daily News reports that spanking kids makes them perform better in school and helps them become more successful by increased study.
    'According to the london daily mail'

    Oh dear...you don't know that the daily mail is the least reliable of a generally unreliable group of british news papers.

    If you want to see how unreliable they are, here is a song of everything the daily mail thinks causes cancer:



    Quote Originally Posted by aaaaaa123456789 View Post
    That's only applicable if you take them from the Bible read literally.
    And as we're all very aware most people read whatever they like from their holy books- essentially an attempt to rationalise their behaviours as apriori, rather than actually using their brains to question things and work out solutions.

    You can read any book metaphorically and decipher whatever meaning you like- as we've seen several times in DGE and unfortunately now in this thread.

    Unfortunately the literal translation is more hateful than any single person could manage by trying to justify their own petty habits and rituals...
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  4. #83
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    I was never physically punished, I was only ever talked to, and had something taken away.
    And to be frank, it worked like a charm, whenever I did something bad my father would just sit down and talk to me, tell me what I did wrong and then tell me that he'd give me my Gameboy back at the end of the week.
    Or something along those lines.
    And that worked, ever since I was little, don't see why people can't just do it that way, talk to your child instead of mindlessly abusing them, otherwise, they'll never figure out whats wrong and whats right.
    And as for the, "you're grounded from X for X days" punishment, that really works.. I mean, boredom is a killer especially if you're a 90's kid, so that sort of punishment was both effective and non-abusive.
    More people should just do that.. I mean, s'not like I turned out 'spoiled' or 'stupid' and whatever else it is people are claiming.

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  6. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Lightnin!!! View Post
    I was never physically punished, I was only ever talked to, and had something taken away.
    And to be frank, it worked like a charm, whenever I did something bad my father would just sit down and talk to me, tell me what I did wrong and then tell me that he'd give me my Gameboy back at the end of the week.
    Or something along those lines.
    And that worked, ever since I was little, don't see why people can't just do it that way, talk to your child instead of mindlessly abusing them, otherwise, they'll never figure out whats wrong and whats right.
    And as for the, "you're grounded from X for X days" punishment, that really works.. I mean, boredom is a killer especially if you're a 90's kid, so that sort of punishment was both effective and non-abusive.
    More people should just do that.. I mean, s'not like I turned out 'spoiled' or 'stupid' and whatever else it is people are claiming.
    But lightnin, how can you tell right from wrong if you don't mindlessly believe whatever people quote from the bible? you're not actually using your brain are you!? Who told you how to use that!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rammjet View Post
    But lightnin, how can you tell right from wrong if you don't mindlessly believe whatever people quote from the bible? you're not actually using your brain are you!? Who told you how to use that!?
    Well, my parents taught me not to be a moron and I just kinda carried it on from there.

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  9. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by aaaaaa123456789 View Post
    That's only applicable if you take them from the Bible read literally.
    Well in that case maybe 'thou shalt not kill' shouldn't be taken literally either, etc etc. If you decide what the bible means literally and what it doesn't then you might as well make up your beliefs.

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  11. #87
    Funny how questions of conservatism...and especially violence actually...seem to split so regularly across religious lines.

    Isn't it?

    If you guys want us to think you're justified in abusing children then quoting from vapid holy books isn't sufficient, because we see little wisdom in bronze age texts...might as well live your life according to Beow'u'lf...now I'm off to attack the Geats!

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  12. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by PooZy View Post
    Well in that case maybe 'thou shalt not kill' shouldn't be taken literally either, etc etc. If you decide what the bible means literally and what it doesn't then you might as well make up your beliefs.
    At the end of the day, isn't that what (almost) everybody does?

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  14. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by aaaaaa123456789 View Post
    At the end of the day, isn't that what (almost) everybody does?
    Some people use books to justify what they already believe- In my experience these people are very conservative.
    Some people believe whatever they read in books- In my experience these people are mad.
    Some people believe what they can establish through reason- In my expereince these people are right.

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  16. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by aaaaaa123456789 View Post
    At the end of the day, isn't that what (almost) everybody does?
    Which is my point - you don't need a book to tell you what to do, and so you shouldn't take advice from a book in the first place. Rather you should decide for yourself what's the right thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PooZy View Post
    Which is my point - you don't need a book to tell you what to do, and so you shouldn't take advice from a book in the first place. Rather you should decide for yourself what's the right thing to do.
    What about Aunt Jemima's cook book?
    How else would you make the perfect Pancake Syrup?

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  18. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Lightnin!!! View Post
    What about Aunt Jemima's cook book?
    How else would you make the perfect Pancake Syrup?
    'Cuz it's a book and it is good and it's a book and is good for cookin'!'

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  20. #93
    Luckily, my parents havent hit me, because i havent really done anything that bad... xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rammjet View Post
    'Cuz it's a book and it is good and it's a book and is good for cookin'!'
    I can't believe I'm saying this but.. That made no sense.

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  22. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Lightnin!!! View Post
    I can't believe I'm saying this but.. That made no sense.
    [tim minchin, the good book]
    Asilva said that the good book encourages parents to beat their children, okay fair enough, it also encourages men to keep slaves and provides instructions on how you should beat them too, yeehah!

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  23. #96
    I wouldn't know what getting beaten for a punishment feels like
    ...But I do know how it feels to get beaten, you feel small and weak, it's the worst feeling in the world, your emotionally and physically scared for life, I'd rather disappear.
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  24. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by -Shadowfax- View Post
    Luckily, my parents havent hit me, because i havent really done anything that bad... xD
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  25. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Lightnin!!! View Post
    What about Aunt Jemima's cook book?
    How else would you make the perfect Pancake Syrup?
    I meant moral advice not recipes ffuffufuff

  26. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by ASilva93 View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong but "The people of Israel sent tribute by him to Eglon the king of Moab." means that they put him to death for being left handed. Also, the others imply being left handed is inferior and means that the person is foolish. I also believe this plays into why when people are being sworn in, they must put their right hand on the bible.

    I still don't see how that's implying death....They are sending tribute (which is a good thing, right?) by him, to Eglon. I really don't see how that can translate to "They killed him."

    Yes, the bible clearly implies special significance to the right hand. Setting your right hand on something, or being at someone's right hand, means that you have their good will, or are special to them, or something similar. It in no way means that writing with your left-hand is a bad thing.
    As for being sworn in with the right hand, it's the same thing. The right hand has special meaning. That's all there is to it.
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  27. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Suuper View Post
    I still don't see how that's implying death....They are sending tribute (which is a good thing, right?) by him, to Eglon. I really don't see how that can translate to "They killed him."

    Yes, the bible clearly implies special significance to the right hand. Setting your right hand on something, or being at someone's right hand, means that you have their good will, or are special to them, or something similar. It in no way means that writing with your left-hand is a bad thing.
    As for being sworn in with the right hand, it's the same thing. The right hand has special meaning. That's all there is to it.
    [it's probably just some bigot's excuse for picking on south paws]

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