By "illogical", i meant that they were strange.Originally Posted by PooZy
Yes I do believe in ghosts
No I don't believe that they exist
By "illogical", i meant that they were strange.
So you're saying that Ghosts don't have to abide by the laws of reality because they're strange?
dood you have to suggest something better than that
My point was, that if ghosts have broken the laws of physics, by coming back to life, they would be more likely to break the laws of physics, again. Also, since ghosts don't have to eat, their body has to be extremely light (unless they break the laws of physics once again).
Rocks don't have to eat and they're pretty heavy.
Also coming back to life technically doesn't break the laws of physics, but I don't think that Ghosts are supposed to be alive anyway.
Rocks don't move. Ghosts does.
Alright, but being a consciousness flying through walls, for sure breaks the laws of physics. But if something breaks the laws of physics, it doesn't mean that the thing don't exist (dark matter). It just means, that you haven't recorded it, yet.
Dark matter follows the laws of physics, in fact that is how it was predicted and discovered. As I said earlier, nothing humans have discovered has been found to break the laws of physics.
Also rocks do move, the earth is a rock and it's flying through space really quickly right now.
edit: Would you count computer signals being sent through walls as a consciousness flying through walls? Because that certainly doesn't break any laws of physics.
Before the copernican model the movements of the planets were unexplicable to science, doesn't mean they were giant spacey ghost balls.
This isn't speculation, it's a failiure of ghosts to meet their burden of proof because their proponents always fall back to 'ah but you can't prove they don't exist', which is a double negative.
Raar!
If you check shirtfag's youtube channel, there's this video "Mexican girl ghost", check it out.
I still can't see if it's fake or not.
The best thing about the poll is that people who voted that they were theists also vote that they believe in ghosts.
A conversation with them might go something like this:
What happens when you die?
You go to heaven or to hell.
Are you sure?
You become ghosts actually.
Are you sure?
:} I believe a lot of things
In JV 47% of people emminantly believe in a God, 34% believe in ghosts.
I'm very much fearing the critical faculties of this forum, what's especially funny is that the same arguments are proponed for both God and ghosts, if you believe in one you're more likely to believe in the other, but most people believe in versions of these ideas which are inconsistant with one another.
It's a decloration of stupidity.
Raar!
Damn, Rammjet and PooZy are all over this thread.
Also, no I don't believe in ghosts.
But it would be awesome to fly trough walls and shit.
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It doesn't have to be stupidity, some people just don't think that much about those things, maybe. Some people might have heard from someone, they knew, that the person met a ghost. Or just the thing about a lot of people saying, that they have seen one.
(or it could just be stupidity)
It doesn't mean, that other things can't. The reason, why humans haven't found anything, which doesn't break the laws of physics is a: It doesn't exist b: It is very rare, or just that you can't measure it.
The earth fly, because there was an amount of energy put into it, when it got created. It doesn't get energy from some mystical source.
Ok, then ghosts don't break a law of physics there.
Firstly earth gets its energy to move around the sun from the gravity, it didn't get it all in one big lump when it got 'created'.
Secondly if ghosts can't be measured they how come there are 'sightings'
I probably got some facts wrong there, but nevertheless, it's definitely not a mystical source :)
Edit: If the earth always gain energy because of gravity, wouldn't it just continue to go faster and faster?
I'm not sure, if anyone has ever tried to take a picture of one, but if someone did, they would for sure get the answer.
That wasnt a ghost that was a paper plane
I don't believe that spirits walk the earth, but are sent to an afterworld.
The earth doesn't speed up and up because the centripetal force of gravity between the sun and earth acts at right angles to the earth's motion, so no extra work is performed on the planet and therefore while the earth accelerates [changes velocity- or 'orbits' ], it does not change its overall speed.I probably got some facts wrong there, but nevertheless, it's definitely not a mystical source
Edit: If the earth always gain energy because of gravity, wouldn't it just continue to go faster and faster?
I'm not sure, if anyone has ever tried to take a picture of one, but if someone did, they would for sure get the answer.
This is just newtonian mechanics, and it's the reason the international space station doesn't fall down and doesn't speed up off into space, among other things.
If ghosts are meant to stay around they too must have mass, so that gravity can act on them to make them accelerate with the earth's frame of reference. Therefore they would be detectable, but nobody has ever detected one.
All right then, lay out your case by defining what a spirit is exactly in measureable terms and then explain the evidence and reason for spirits to exist as well as proving there's an afterworld and explaining how they get there.
Raar!
No it wouldn't go faster and faster because it's not falling INTO the sun, it's falling AROUND the sun.I probably got some facts wrong there, but nevertheless, it's definitely not a mystical source
Edit: If the earth always gain energy because of gravity, wouldn't it just continue to go faster and faster?
I'm not sure, if anyone has ever tried to take a picture of one, but if someone did, they would for sure get the answer.
Also people do try to photograph ghosts, but so far the only photographs you see are fakes
Yes, but my point was, that the earth do need a certain amount of power to begin with. If you removed all the power put into the earth in the first place, it would stop turning around, and simply fall into the sun.
If they don't show on pictures then a: the people seeing them are insane, or b: It can only be seen by human eyes. (for some reason)
or c: people claiming to see ghosts are huge liars.
If Ghosts exist they're going to be made of something that interacts with normal matter, otherwise
-people would not be able to see the ghosts
-living people, made from matter, would not be able to become ghosts anyway
so 'ghosty' particles should exist, to explain the mechanism for aparitions and spirits' supposed properities. [nobody's made nice definitions however because most people who believe in ghosts don't understand this is a criterion of proof]
Predict particles that are necessary for ghostly existance and the world's super colliders can check for them, should you dare to be proven right or wrong.
No 'power to begin with', the force from the sun is pretty much constant and ongoing.
This is conservation of angular momentum, dust clouds collapsing around stars into planets spin, they don't sit their motionless waiting for somebody to push them around their stars.
Human eyes detect light that our best cameras can go beyond in frequencies and intensities, human eyes are crap, if there are ghosts out there cameras would spot them better than you could.
Raar!
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