Remove PR3 Block Creator - PETITION

[Kittyent]

Maybe instead of removing the program/Make Omicron's Block Creator unavailable to other users let's try to make it more harder for them to steal blocks like have it accept certain file types.

Also if you force Omicron to make the Block creator unavailable other users can just put it back out so it would be almost pointless and make it a terrible ban/warning to Omicron

[8363MTR]

Alright, time for a review.
There are some boundries to this topic. It's a negative thing like:
1.) It is not fair to steal people's blocks by pressing PrtScn, put it on any editing format, and bam, you got yourself a block. It not only doesn't give the artist enough credit, but it tells them that they are lazy 8 - 9 year olds that didn't give permission to their parents about going on a site, downloading this, and doing this over and over again.
2.) Putting on pictures will bring porn to PR3. Besides, it's suppose to be a children's game for crying out loud!
3.) It will not only give the block editors/level editors no credit, but it will not even give the artist from all over the internet/artist that made a T.V. show a bad name.
4.) It's the third party, and it should not have been used.
But there are some positive things,especially when there are nothing exciting about the tools that Jiggmin provided you.Tthen you can use an art program to make your art.
Now normally, before my review, I was against it all. But throughout the thread, then if Jiggmin does allow this, then there will be extra rules to clarify things.
Now to reply everyone's post.

Omicron09 is making new versions of it, ban him.

Yeah, but he will come back again and do the same thing over and over again.

WHAT? YOU CAN JUST DROP PICTURES IN? NOOOO!

that's a total insult to real block makers! >:/

Not only to the block editors, but to the real artist as well.

It should have been there from the beginning.
Then this wouldn't be a problem.

Ultimately, this will make levels better.

...really? You don't understand this at all.

Livestream me.

Random much?
On a serious note: please kindly to get out of the thread if you're not contributing. We're having a real debate over here, and it's inappropriate for you to say something like that.

No it won't. They'll just be unoriginal pieces of crap with images stolen from the internet.

And heck no it should not have been there at the beginning. We're supposed to draw art from our minds, better yet our hearts, not by using an automated program because we can't be bothered to draw art ourselves.

Again, no reputation for the artist all over the internet.

Seriously, I don't see why there should be a big fuss about this in the first place. It's simple, make your own blocks. But someone always has to go and make more complicated. I don't know how the block creator can be removed, but there might be a way to encourage people to make their own blocks instead.

I peg to differ when it comes to young children on the internet (Stupid Sparkworkz. That spark didn't even work at all). Other than that, that would work well to just some...lazy people.

Removing the Block Creator is impossible, unless you remove the level editor too.

...there's a problem for that.
If you do remove the level editor, and I'm not even sure of this, but you will remove all the levels that excited, even the campaign levels. In fact, if you also do that, and if it has the same concept, then what's the point of this game?

I made a rage block about it (http://jiggmin.com/entries/25102-Rag...-block-creator)

Hopefully (and I do mean this), I hope that he will find out about this too.

You should not ban the creator of the program just because others abuse it. Ban those who steal blocks and make inappropriate content.

Actually, you should. He did use a third-party that totally against PR3.

He introduced it with good intentions. It's not his fault that some immature players abused it.

Again, used third-party that's against the game.

That's true, but if he knew that people would abuse the program in the first place then he shouldn't have introduced it.

I think he didn't thought of that through.

Your analogy there is completely off. In your comparison, your saying the pr3 block creator is like the passenger of the car, WRONG. It would be the car itself, the passenger who crashes into another car is liable but its the passengers fault (I.e. the user) not the car.

You do have a point...

So as someone else pointed out and as I've stood by in my own arguments, you go after those who steal blocks and make inappropriate blocks, not the creator of the program or the program itself.

But again, you do made something that's a third-party.

Artists are creative in there drawing, I'm a programmer, we're creative in the programs we can make. I'm not going to not make something just because it can be used in a negative way when it's not made for that, I'm sure Microsoft feels that way, Firefox, and even the car in your analogy. Its not the cars fault someone crashed it into someone else...

Again, third-party, but you are shedding some light on this...kinda.

As for others asking Jiggmin to do something about it... as others have pointed out he can't remove it and he can't even stop it... because its not doing anything "out of the ordinary" that others can't do. Any kind of counter measure can be well counter measured right back as the program mimics a normal users actions of drawing a block it's not like cheat engine that actually 'hacks' that game to do something its not intended too or that can't normally be done in the game itself.

Edit: Oh and before I get comments about the only other counter argument against my statements which is about how the demographic of the game is mostly kids, kids use the internet too and can use a browser to "steal" images or look at inappropriate content as well but that doesn't look like its stopping the web browser developers from not releasing there product. We can't baby sit and hold the hands of everyone to make sure they're being good and behaving.

For underline part, now it's feeling like it is a cheat engine.
For bolded part, trolls can. (joking a little bit, but I do have my reasons.)

Why can't you understand us artists? We spend hours on making perfect blocks, but for what? So Sparkworkz-ers can just go and steal them? Same with BGs. People are stealing blocks and BGs and are saying they made it without giving credit. Lil4Gangsta has unpublished his Mario level because of this. Mf_Eclipse has unpublished Castle Enigma. Artists are even leaving PR3 because of this program. It ruins PR3's creativity annd imagionation. Also it's against the rules in PR3 to use third party programs to affect the game. Just like with Cheat Engine.
People are even using it to cheat in Block/level making competitions.
And they are cropping inappropriate pictures into blocks and BGs. Yes, the mods are umpublishing them but still..
I am not ttolerable to this!
Omicron, learn to understand.

I say we undo PR3 even existed and help Jiggy redo it with a better site and a better community. (I was actually joking, but it would be a good idea come to think of it.)

I understand your argument, basically your argument is there's immature people who abuse things. I get that, go after them. The Block Creator offers way way way more power and functionality for an artist then anything ever could. I've made a post about all the good things and benefits of the program for true artist so I wont get into details on that here.

If anything I'll say sorry that people ruin a good thing for everyone. Woohoo go 12 yr olds!

Also my program is a third party but it's nothing like cheat engine, it can't as you say "affect the game", it only mimics normal user functionality of the game, it can't do anything the author of the game didn't intend to.

Yeah, but you do realize that they can print the screen, tweek up a few things, and copy your work as well, right?
Again, this will make artist from all over the internet having no credit for things.
So wait, you're a 12 year old?
Uh...I wouldn't dare saying that it will "affect the game". (hint hint.)
I got a lot to say, but I've gotten over 10000 characters, so I'll double post and will continue below.

[8363MTR]

Have you guys even read on Omicron09's website?

He wants this software because the art tools in PR3 sucks, and only very good artists can make good blocks. He just wants to make his own blocks in a better program like MS Paint, or Photoshop, anything other than the PR3 tools.

I say Omicron09 should not be banned. Just give him a warning, and he'll most likely stop. He's a good guy.
On the other hand, ban the people who abuse the program and use it for stealing.

Except for the fact that you can tell Jiggmin that we need better/more tools for this (even though that you will get a no), that's actually a better reason why he would do this and thus shedding the light a little bit more, and I now do get where you're at.

It does affect the game. It makes so that Sparkworkz-ers can make perfect blocks and BGs.

Wow, Prod. I expected more from you. Have you even tried to make art in PR3? The art tools are so much better than in PR2. Sadly, Sparkworkz-ers doesn't use it. They just share blocks from famous artists and are using them. And when they do make blocks they become fail blocks that has no specific form.

Yes, too perfect enough that credit from the artist is never going to be good.
Also, give this guy some slack. I mean, what if he wants to do the same thing that this guy wanted to do?

Somebody sent me a block called "boobs" once. I reported it, but no mod banned the person. I think the block editor should be removed.

You do realize that you can even draw them yourself, right? For example, I've gotten one block that was a drawn boob once.

I agree the art tools ain't half bad but there is a lack of basic funtionality, like a select tool so we can copy+paste elements of the background (think how much time this would save and how much less processing the command would need), block rotation tool (because making arrow blocks makes me rage) and some sort of fill tool. If there were those three tools, the editor would be complete in my opinion and those three tools are not something this program can really provide, instead it's an enormous step back for creativity.

Tell it to Jiggy. Maybe he'll understand.

You do realize other people are put off the game when talented guys are using awesome art while people like me who do not know how to draw such great pics are just staring in awe. It isn't very fair that you complain now when others have been longing for this program for almost the whole time they've played.
We are not lazy, we are untalented. I see PooZy's levels and wish i could draw like that. Then when i actually try i mess up and fail. I propose you stop all this hate.
If someone steals a block then tell everyone and stop people liking that person. It has not happened yet so stop complaining and start playing the game!!
Art isn't what makes a level, it's the fun that people get by playing it. I'm sorry but, I loved using this program.

You know that you can be trained and taught to do that?
Besides, I've learned quote that said, "Once was an expert was once a beginner." (or something like that.) What I'm saying was that people like PooZy was once a beginner, and that he was either taught or trained himself about art.
Besides, if you don't succeeded at first, then you've got to either learn or practice, practice, practice. Art is an ugly thing at first, but once you've got a hang of it, then you'll be a wonderful artist.

If he ban hims to treat him to remove it, the ones that downloaded it already can still cheat pr3 art.

But a Ban is More useful than a warning.
Maybe for just 1-3 weeks.
"We will remove your ban if you make people stop using third party programs"
LOL

Well, you gotta know that this will continue because people will not learn a thing.

I could already copy blocks before the program was made. I could and still can copy anything if I wanted to. The program has not made this problem, it already existed, it just makes it faster to. The program is intended to make your drawings that are on another program get copied onto the block so you don't have to draw it again. I know the program can make inappropriate stuff, but everyone could already do that before the program existed.

Since people keep saying it's the creators fault if someone missuses it... well, people can draw inappropriate blocks on the block editor, and guess who created the block editor? Jiggmin did.

It's not Omicrons fault if someone missuses the program. PERIOD

So...we should ban Jiggmin?
Anyways, I can too, but in a different way. I tried to find a sprite sheet, see if I can get any closer, and then try to make the exact same thing. Heck, I've made a Lemmy block(s) by doing that same thing.

Hey! I just came up with a great suggestion! How about we convince Jiggmin to remove the block sharing feature? We can also add block stealing as a rule and any thieves will be banned. Block shops will go out of business and everybody will make their own blocks! By the way, any art programs will be taken as "hacking"

Or if you do want the program, then make sure that it doesn't rip off blocks or other pictures from other sites, so the program would become acceptable with a bound.
So here's where I stand; using this in an inappropriate manor should make you banned, but if you want to make art that isn't on the game, then go ahead. So in retrospect, I really don’t know if Jiggmin will provide this, but even if he says no, then there is no need for the block editor to be remove.

[a zorref kid]

Who says that this program is against the rules?

You just made it up so people will support your argument. Personally, I do not misuse this program. All I pretty much do is just take a screenie from a different game, and then cut out part of a sprite to fit the theme of my level. PR3 artists will still make good blocks that you cannot find on the internet.
Your pretty much blaming Omicron for this just because a few people are misusing the program. That's Their fault, not Omicron's. Those people who use this software for evil are probably banned, so no worries. I don't see all of you complaining about hackers. And back you could do the "block stealing" glitch, I didn't see a ton of you people complaining either.
Also if you think that when u put an image into the Pr3 block creator and start it, your image will be completed automatically. Then i'd like to call you stupid. It's actually a pretty hard process to put an image the right size into the tool and then having the tool draw for you (which can take a long time).
Have you ever used this tool Anra97?
Cause if you haven't, then your complaining about something that you never used. (Kind of like complaining about something that you haven't tried)
Your just observing what others say about this, but you've never actually seen it.

Another thing

Autodot is legal on PR2.
Cheat Engine changes values on PR3 to give you unfair advantages and is obviously illegal, aka. hacking.
The PR3 block creator, however, only put's pixels on blocks and it is legal because:
1. The rules don't state that this is illegal
2. It's not a hacking tool.
3. It doesn't go against PR3 standards
It may be an advantage, but it doesn't altar the game it's self.
So yeah....
That's my speech
Omicron also does understand, you just don't.

If you've never used this program, don't be complaining about it.

Halflite makes sprites from other games without this.

We have complained alot that using this is just ruining pr3. Why should we use it? this is about the fact that it ruins pr3, not something about performance.

[Firegred]

Alright, time for a review.
There are some boundries to this topic. It's a negative thing like:
1.) It is not fair to steal people's blocks by pressing PrtScn, put it on any editing format, and bam, you got yourself a block. It not only doesn't give the artist enough credit, but it tells them that they are lazy 8 - 9 year olds that didn't give permission to their parents about going on a site, downloading this, and doing this over and over again.
2.) Putting on pictures will bring porn to PR3. Besides, it's suppose to be a children's game for crying out loud!
3.) It will not only give the block editors/level editors no credit, but it will not even give the artist from all over the internet/artist that made a T.V. show a bad name.
4.) It's the third party, and it should not have been used.
But there are some positive things,especially when there are nothing exciting about the tools that Jiggmin provided you.Tthen you can use an art program to make your art.
Now normally, before my review, I was against it all. But throughout the thread, then if Jiggmin does allow this, then there will be extra rules to clarify things.
Now to reply everyone's post.



Yeah, but he will come back again and do the same thing over and over again.



Not only to the block editors, but to the real artist as well.



...really? You don't understand this at all.



Random much?
On a serious note: please kindly to get out of the thread if you're not contributing. We're having a real debate over here, and it's inappropriate for you to say something like that.



Again, no reputation for the artist all over the internet.



I peg to differ when it comes to young children on the internet (Stupid Sparkworkz. That spark didn't even work at all). Other than that, that would work well to just some...lazy people.



...there's a problem for that.
If you do remove the level editor, and I'm not even sure of this, but you will remove all the levels that excited, even the campaign levels. In fact, if you also do that, and if it has the same concept, then what's the point of this game?



Hopefully (and I do mean this), I hope that he will find out about this too.



Actually, you should. He did use a third-party that totally against PR3.



Again, used third-party that's against the game.



I think he didn't thought of that through.



You do have a point...



But again, you do made something that's a third-party.



Again, third-party, but you are shedding some light on this...kinda.



For underline part, now it's feeling like it is a cheat engine.
For bolded part, trolls can. (joking a little bit, but I do have my reasons.)



I say we undo PR3 even existed and help Jiggy redo it with a better site and a better community. (I was actually joking, but it would be a good idea come to think of it.)



Yeah, but you do realize that they can print the screen, tweek up a few things, and copy your work as well, right?
Again, this will make artist from all over the internet having no credit for things.
So wait, you're a 12 year old?
Uh...I wouldn't dare saying that it will "affect the game". (hint hint.)
I got a lot to say, but I've gotten over 10000 characters, so I'll double post and will continue below.

you didn't get what I said at all....

[8363MTR]

you didn't get what I said...

Dude, I haven't read your post when I've released it, so don't blame on me for not reading/replying on your post.
Besides, I'm on your side. I've said in the beginning that I've FIRST, repeat, FIRST (and notice the first on that sentence; ...did I said first?), had doubts on this. But further on, I've come to actually at least understand on this whole thing but it's because of the crappy community's fault.
So, what I'm kinda saying throughout my two posts was the reaction of when I've first hated the idea, but then gradually increase my respect for this program.

[Firegred]

Dude, I haven't read your post when I've released it, so don't blame on me for not reading/replying on your post.
Besides, I'm on your side. I've said in the beginning that I've FIRST, repeat, FIRST (and notice the first on that sentence; ...did I said first?), had doubts on this. But further on, I've come to actually at least understand on this whole thing but it's because of the crappy community's fault.
So, what I'm kinda saying throughout my two posts was the reaction of when I've first hated the idea, but then gradually increase my respect for this program.

Now I respect you a bit

[ΤhatOneNewbie]

Why ban this program? It's only gotten a bad reputation for people who abuse it.

[Tiger]

No, don't make Jiggmin remove the block creator. Make a petition for Jiggmin to remove the "sending blocks" and "sending levels" option. Yes, people couldn't collab, but making a collaborated level is rare. I say we he just takes away the option to send blocks. This would force noobies to make their own blocks and people to shut down their block shops. The Block Creator make levels much more beautiful and original, don't take that away at least.

EDIT: Ohmigosh I'm such a noob. *facepalm*

I thought you were talking about the block creator altogether (Like the one Jiggmin made in the game). I didn't know you were talking about the other block software thing. Yeah, get rid of it. People steal blocks :<.

[8363MTR]

Now I respect you a bit

Thank you. (Notice the thank on that sentence.)

No, don't make Jiggmin remove the block creator. Make a petition for Jiggmin to remove the "sending blocks" and "sending levels" option. Yes, people couldn't collab, but making a collaborated level is rare. I say we he just takes away the option to send blocks. This would force noobies to make their own blocks and people to shut down their block shops. The Block Creator make levels much more beautiful and original, don't take that away at least.

I can actually understand on this, actually. It does ruin the credit for the artist, anyways.

[omicron09]

no reputation for the artist all over the internet

You realize people use images all over the net from various places all the time. When people make funny post and copy images you don't see them quoting where it came from or giving credit. People use logos from products/games all the time as avatars, in signatures. There's even blocks of sprites of product logos like coke/pepsi/mc donalds/video games/cartoons/etc.. before the program came around, people have been using images from other places all the time without giving credit, that's the nature of the internet. Now if your selling something that you blatantly copied from someone else then that's another story.

[Hunty2012]

I could already copy blocks before the program was made. I could and still can copy anything if I wanted to. The program has not made this problem, it already existed, it just makes it faster to. The program is intended to make your drawings that are on another program get copied onto the block so you don't have to draw it again. I know the program can make inappropriate stuff, but everyone could already do that before the program existed.

Since people keep saying it's the creators fault if someone missuses it... well, people can draw inappropriate blocks on the block editor, and guess who created the block editor? Jiggmin did.

It's not Omicrons fault if someone missuses the program. PERIOD

Yes, people could always copy blocks and make pornography, but the amount of people that could do that (with a good result) are minimal. You just overestimated the power of an average Sparkworker. They can't copy blocks. They can't create pornography. They simply don't have the skills to make anything good or offensive in the game. Now they have a machine that creates pornography and copies art for them. PERIOD.

Who says that this program is against the rules?

You just made it up so people will support your argument. Personally, I do not misuse this program. All I pretty much do is just take a screenie from a different game, and then cut out part of a sprite to fit the theme of my level. PR3 artists will still make good blocks that you cannot find on the internet.
Your pretty much blaming Omicron for this just because a few people are misusing the program. That's Their fault, not Omicron's. Those people who use this software for evil are probably banned, so no worries. I don't see all of you complaining about hackers. And back when you could do the "block stealing" glitch, I didn't see a ton of you people complaining either.
Also if you think that when u put an image into the Pr3 block creator and start it, your image will be completed automatically. Then i'd like to call you stupid. It's actually a pretty hard process to put an image the right size into the tool and then having the tool draw for you (which can take a long time).
Have you ever used this tool Anra97?
Cause if you haven't, then your complaining about something that you never used. (Kind of like complaining about something that you haven't tried)
Your just observing what others say about this, but you've never actually seen it.

Another thing

Autodot is legal on PR2.
Cheat Engine changes values on PR3 to give you unfair advantages and is obviously illegal, aka. hacking.
The PR3 block creator, however, only put's pixels on blocks and it is legal because:
1. The rules don't state that this is illegal
2. It's not a hacking tool.
3. It doesn't go against PR3 standards
It may be an advantage, but it doesn't altar the game it's self.
So yeah....
That's my speech
Omicron also does understand, you just don't.

If you've never used this program, don't be complaining about it.

1. The use of ANY unauthorized third party program in a multiplayer game is ILLEGAL. And, there's a fair distance between a program that copies every single pixel with colors, and a program that draws the black outline.
2. You are right. It's just the computer that does the work for you. Just like a program that macroes in PR2.
3. You are not supposed to copy images and put them into the games. The game is not based on realism. You are supposed to make cartoony graphics, not real life graphics.

I was here back with the block creator glitch. I saw people unpublishing their levels and complaining in the forums. You say you do not misuse the program. That's okay. We are talking about the hundreds of other people that DO IT.
Also, resizing an image to the correct size only takes a few clicks. Google a image resizer. Upload image. Finished. That is NOT alot of work. That's laziness. You also claim that using the program is hard work. Try making your own blocks and see which blocks took the most work. So why complain about it being hard work, when the real work is by creating the blocks yourself.
Yes, many of the images used in the block creator is not from google. They are take straight from the game and into the block creator

It's just bull**** you are talking about. I'm pretty sure you never made a block in the block editor yourself.

[Spychato]

No, don't make Jiggmin remove the block creator. Make a petition for Jiggmin to remove the "sending blocks" and "sending levels" option. Yes, people couldn't collab, but making a collaborated level is rare. I say we he just takes away the option to send blocks. This would force noobies to make their own blocks and people to shut down their block shops. The Block Creator make levels much more beautiful and original, don't take that away at least.

But then, whats the sense of making blocks and art if you can take the easy way of using the program?

[ΤhatOneNewbie]

But then, whats the sense of making blocks and art if you can take the easy way of using the program?

Not many people even know about the program, and they'd be too incompetent to even understand how to function it.

[Hunty2012]

I could already copy blocks before the program was made. I could and still can copy anything if I wanted to. The program has not made this problem, it already existed, it just makes it faster to. The program is intended to make your drawings that are on another program get copied onto the block so you don't have to draw it again. I know the program can make inappropriate stuff, but everyone could already do that before the program existed.

Since people keep saying it's the creators fault if someone missuses it... well, people can draw inappropriate blocks on the block editor, and guess who created the block editor? Jiggmin did.

It's not Omicrons fault if someone missuses the program. PERIOD

Not many people even know about the program, and they'd be too incompetent to even understand how to function it.

Pretty much every second game I join someone claims "u use da blck crtor". Omicron hosts the lwvel all the time, and on the site you download it there's a detailedguide in pictures on how to use it.

[omicron09]

Pretty much every second game I join someone claims "u use da blck crtor". Omicron hosts the lwvel all the time, and on the site you download it there's a detailedguide in pictures on how to use it.

90% of the people that join can't dl, wont dl, dont dl, or some other excuse, most just want the blocks or backgrounds in my level and that's it lol. They're so lazy they wont even use a program that makes it easy.

[Tyypo]

90% of the people that join can't dl, wont dl, dont dl, or some other excuse, most just want the blocks or backgrounds in my level and that's it lol. They're so lazy they wont even use a program that makes it easy.

That's Sparkworkz for you.

[8363MTR]

You realize people use images all over the net from various places all the time. When people make funny post and copy images you don't see them quoting where it came from or giving credit. People use logos from products/games all the time as avatars, in signatures. There's even blocks of sprites of product logos like coke/pepsi/mc donalds/video games/cartoons/etc.. before the program came around, people have been using images from other places all the time without giving credit, that's the nature of the internet. Now if your selling something that you blatantly copied from someone else then that's another story.

I've notice that actually, but it's just unfair (in my opinion) for someone to steal someone's work and not give credit (and when I've mean by credit for me, I mean that they showed that you've made it. Money or no money.)
But in all fairness, you do kinda found a flaw on there (and the flaw was that there you can not give credit all the time). I'll give you a thanks for pointing that out then.

[skiba]

You realize people use images all over the net from various places all the time. When people make funny post and copy images you don't see them quoting where it came from or giving credit. People use logos from products/games all the time as avatars, in signatures. There's even blocks of sprites of product logos like coke/pepsi/mc donalds/video games/cartoons/etc.. before the program came around, people have been using images from other places all the time without giving credit, that's the nature of the internet. Now if your selling something that you blatantly copied from someone else then that's another story.

yeah, youve got a point. but i seriously dont want people putting porno (sorry i had to say it) pictures on pr3.

[Choom]

This is a petition against the PR3 block creator.
It totally destroyed PR3. People may now simply just put in pictures in the program, and then the program makes it for you. Jiggmin, remove this, please. True artists are unpublishing their best levels because of this. It has ruined the little rest of PR3's imagination.

WE WANT THIS PROGRAM REMOVED!

You sir, are silly sir.