yes
maybe im not sure but i guess it could be real
no
no but if yes this god is a jerk
yes but i do wonder sometimes if its true
Buddhism in its traditional sense has no higher powers at all.Originally Posted by Karma
With reference to evolution, this isn't a matter of speculative probability, as there is hard proof that humans evolved from a common ancestor of today's primates. Notably our present morphology, common attributes of our genomes with these creatures and fossilised remains of other hominin species.
Raar!
How could they even evolve if they can't even do it. its impossible to get the exact same fruit on 100 Slot machine in a row. Have you done it?
Karma wuz here
It's not impossible to get the same fruit 100 times in a row, but it's very unlikely
When living organisms reproduce they don't do it with 100% accuracy, these are called mutations. Mutations usually have no effect because DNA is a resilient code with redundant characters so that it can resist damage, however some mutations provide a negative or positive effect.
Creatures that suffer from negative mutations find it more difficult to reproduce, because life is more difficult for them, whereas positively effected creatures excel, therefore positive mutations spread through the species. The slow accumulation of new genetic information, and the rejection of harmful information can change a species drammatically.
For example Humans and Chimps share around 95% of their genetic information.
It is therefore fiesable that humans and chimps evolved from a common ancestor because the proposed mechanism is known to operate in the real world, and the fossilised evidence proves that this was indeed the case.
Raar!
So for evolution to make a single cell orgonism would be very unlikely. But for it to involve even more it would need to do like 250 Slot machines with the same fruit in a row. If it doesnt the single cell organism gets swapt back into the gene code. So for a single cell organism to evolve twice it would need to get 350 Slot machines with the same fruit and dont mess up ONCE. You really think that is possible.
Karma wuz here
Evolution isn't random chance like you seem to suggest, evolution will ALWAYS happen, it's almost guarunteed
but if it doesnt do the exact way it will get swapt back into the gene code. To make a human from a single cell organism is like getting a million slot machines and getting the exact same fruit and dont mess up once. Im sorry but only god could do that.
Karma wuz here
You clearly have a poor concept of evolution and probability. ._.
Life does not evolve 'randomly', there are external driving forces such as environment.
For example take a group of red foxes,
when they reproduce their pups never look quite the same as their parents, some are different colours, some are bigger smaller etcetera. Only the most successful pups will grow up and reproduce and colonise new terraine.
The foxes expand north into snowy climates, where fluffier lighter foxes have an advantage over their peers. Over thousands of years the two species differentiate, and we have the original red fox species to the south and an albino arctic fox species to the north.
You might look at the arctic fox and say 'but their dna has thousands of different mutations compared to the red fox; that makes their emergence reall improbable!', but that would be wrong, because their emergence was not random, it was determined by their environment changing.
Single cells evolved into complex multi cellular life because multi cellular life out-competes single cell organisms in some environments, not because of complete randomness.
Homo sapiens emerged from homo erectus because their bigger brains and increased projectile ability provided an advantage in getting food, not because of randomness.
Last edited by Rammjet; 6th August 2012 at 12:47 PM.
Raar!
Evolution says it happends by chance. The chance of it happening it what I said with the slot machines, Even though there red foxes and artic foxes and fluffier and light foxes there still a fox. Once a fox turns into another animal (not another speices) I will believe it. Just to let you know a speices is an animal inside the kind. A husky is a species of dog. So just to let everyone know that incase anyone was lost.
Karma wuz here
Evolution says that individual mutations [which we may blame on chance] are accumulated systematically, not randomly.
If you want to see animals changing extremely look at mammals, they emerged from therapsids, an entirely different group, over 185mya. You can see the shapes of the fossilised skeletons slowly change from therapsid to mammmalian, and those mammals then continue to differentiate again and again and again, into everything from giraffes to dolphines to you and me.
Raar!
Mutations have never made anything better. Mutations never improved somthing. Have you ever seen it occure. They sayt it happend millions of years ago cuase they cant prove it happend. If it happend a million years ago no one could prove it. Also we never have never gotton better in anything. We have got weaker and even more dumb. No one knows how they made the pyraimids, They also dont know how people back then with no high-tech tools could make rocks made of hard metal and make a perfect round hole.
Karma wuz here
Never use this word again: Chance
WE DON'T THINK IT HAPPENS BY CHANCE, STOP TELLING US ABOUT CHANCE
edit: we know how they made the pyrammids btw
you do believe we came by chance. and we dont know how they made the pyrammids
Karma wuz here
The mutations themselves happen by chance, but it does not mean that all of the species will be that color. There is something called
NATURAL SELECTION.
What natural selection is:A chance mutation just happens to help the survival of an organism to increase. As a result, that organism is more likely to reproduce than another organism because that organism has a better chance of surviving in that given condition. Add several hundred generations and you have evolution.Evolution is not chance.
Disprove it then.
Mutations on the contrary do improve some things, for example the placenta only exists because of a retrovirus code that was acidentally incoporated into mammal's dna, we can prove this happened because when you look at the gene responsible for placental proteins in mammals they have the same proteins and these proteins clearly have virulant origins. Biologists looked at the genes responsible and said 'wait a minute we recognise this kind of genetic information- it looks just like retrovirus mutations we know about,'.
It's impossible to 'see' a mutation with your naked eyes because you'd need an incredibly incredibly powerful microscope, however if you look at newborn babies and compare their DNA to the parents they usually have several mutations, mostly harmless.
Humans have become increasingly smart, especially since the renaissance. Instead of building pyramids we now build mars-rovers, particle accelerators, heated homes with running water, sanitations systems, hospitals, transport networks, computerised communications etcetera. [of course, this isn't because we've anatomically evolved, we've changed negligably in the past few thousand years, this is just the march of technology]
Raar!
I don't and we do
stop telling me what I believe, I believe what I want ok?
To be blunt karma, even if you disproved all mainstream science you would not prove your god must exist.
Can you prove your God exists to us?
Raar!
But Natural Selection has never happend cuase we have never seen anything improve by mutations. When you get sun burned it mutates your skin cells. Which makes it either die or give the person skin cancer. It doesnt give you metal skin or make you fly.
Karma wuz here
god exists and rammjet and poozy are agents of satan to make jv sin. as much as you want to help jv is lost give up
You can get good mutations, and mutations aren't just bad things like skin burn. Good mutations involve things like someone having a mutation where they have faster reflexes, they can hunt better and survive better etc
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