Yeah? Wanna tell me how so? Exactly, you can't. You basically are telling me "HEY, THIS EXISTS, BUT I HAVE NO PROOF" It's blind faith, and if you truly want to be that blind to what has been proven around you, then sure. Believe in it.
yes
maybe im not sure but i guess it could be real
no
no but if yes this god is a jerk
yes but i do wonder sometimes if its true
Yeah? Wanna tell me how so? Exactly, you can't. You basically are telling me "HEY, THIS EXISTS, BUT I HAVE NO PROOF" It's blind faith, and if you truly want to be that blind to what has been proven around you, then sure. Believe in it.
you telling me that the complex human body and the amazing wild life was made by chance?
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That's ok, you can keep believing that the world was creating by nothing. Me and karma will be here if you need us
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the earth is 10000 years old and it was made from soup
A few months, maybe even a year ago, we had a whole thread just to tell you that atheists do not believe that the world was made by chance.
Now you've come back and all that progress has been lost and you've been brainwashed all over again >_>
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Christianity is a religion, there's no way around that.
Primary definition of religion: The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods
Egads man, Christianity is a belief system that features worship of a superhuman personal God. O_o that must mean it is a religion.
Is it possible to epistemologically prove a religion to be true? Sort of, many religions contain contrary or convaluted statements and logic, which automatically disqualifies them being true in their current form. However if you convinced Ywh to pop down from heaven and move around a few stars to spell out 'I am the abrahamic god ywh hear me roar,' I'd say that would pretty much settle things. x3
Unfortunately the burden of proof means that until such an event happens nobody has any epistemological quarrel with saying christianity, or any other religion, is an absolute crock of shite.
In this thread recently there's been a lot of ulterior reasoning for rationalising religious arguments, such as statements that religions are harmful. I think it's important to remind people that even if religion always, without fail, improved society and made people extremely happy that anybody would still be entitled to argue that it's a crock of shite, because the epistemological value of beliefs is dependant on their truth, not their affect on society. This is why systems of ideas that have revolutionised the world and doubled life expectancy- namely science - are still heavily scrutinised, because epistemology trumps all else.
Raar!
I legitimately cannot tell if you are a troll or are ACTUALLY submitting this statement as an argument for your side.
I pray to whatever god it is you believe in that it is the former.
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Atheists (true atheists, not lazy people), nor strong believers in God, believe that the complex human body structure and the Earth and all its cycles were made by chance.
not true, learn science
Atheism means 'the property belonging to a person of not believing in gods,'. This does not require any alternative beliefs about the origin of life, morality, politics or any other subject at all.
Many atheists happen to also accept mainstream science. Mainstream science doesn't state that human anatomy and the earth's orbit are products of entirely random processes.
Raar!
lol I remember that thread.
well good, do you remember that atheists don't believe what you think we do?
That is true. If you dont believe god created the world. You have to believe Evolution. Which is impossible.
for a single cell orginism to be made by chance is to like get all 3 of the same fruits on a slot machine and do it agian 100 times in a row with the same 3 fruits.
You have no idea how evolution works. Not even the most rudimentary understanding. Please, go learn a bit. Or stop posting inaccuracies.
Okay. Bare with me. I think that this is representative of something.
The sheer number of times in this very thread where a poster comes in, says god exists, and adds a little quip ("Duh", "Of course", "Naturally") is absurdly high.
I feel, sincerely, that this is indicative to the lack of thought behind the belief.
Like, I understand that some of it is sarcasm. I also understand that not ALL the religious people do this. But really.
Compare it to the number of people who have entered and said "God doesn't exist, duh." There are some atheists who do that, but I swear at least one theist does it every couple of pages.
I feel this trend should be taken into consideration. Not to say that theists are generally less intelligent. But to say that theists appear to put in far less thought to the conflict.
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Here in the Universe I find some things that are so hard to understand.
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If you don't believe in god, you could be a Buddhist or you could believe something entirely different, you don't have to believe evolution.
Also you're saying the organisms got made by chance again.
Buddhist believe in hundred of thouands of gods and spirits. Im not saying there made by chance. Im saying if they were they would have very impossible odds.
Buddhists do not believe in gods or spirits, they actually think that the existence of a soul is impossible. (i'm talking mainstream buddhism, stuff from the buddha, idk if there are any small off-shoots which you are referring to, but standard Buddhism has no gods).
Also you have no idea what the odds would be, and you have no idea what the odds of getting 3 fruits 100 times in a row are anyway.
You know what, I'll bite. Screw it.
Okay, so let's say there is an extremely small chance (Which there isn't) of a completely random set of events (Which they aren't) occurring to give us what we have.
Now, lets compare that miniscule probability to the probability of someone coming back to life.
Not a single person has come back to life in known history other than your magic messiah and Islam's magic messiah. If we approach these stories with a mindset of incredulity, that would give people the statistics of a ZERO PERCENT POSSIBILITY of someone coming back to life.
Even with your mistaken belief of improbability, you are STILL believing the MORE improbable thing.
EDIT: Also, you misrepresent and misunderstand Buddhism.
EDIT 2: Also, Rammjet makes a good point in the post following this. Evolution ISN'T speculation. It is not projected outcomes and statistics. There is evidence for it. It's already happened.
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Here in the Universe I find some things that are so hard to understand.
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