Does god exist?

[DaFlamingPotato]

On whether God exists or not, we both know either sides has no proof. But one side has faith, while the other has nothing. At least it is something that is there.

Faith isn't any better than nothing. It's the same as having no proof.


"What proof do you have for thinking X?"

proof___"We found and examined thousands of Y, and had them peer reviewed, which are all undeniably X."

faith by itself___"I have no proof."

faith inspired___"I saw or heard something extraordinary."

faith___"I believe it is true because my parents taught me, I feel it in my heart, many others think the same thing, and I have faith."

skeptic___"We used logic and reason to guide us to our answers. Many others found the same thing. It makes sense with everything else I know. This makes the most sense to me.



Claiming faith is more valid than logic and reason is something I must disagree with.

[Janoo2000]

Faith isn't any better than nothing. It's the same as having no proof.


"What proof do you have for thinking X?"

proof___"We found and examined thousands of Y, and had them peer reviewed, which are all undeniably X."

faith by itself___"I have no proof."

faith inspired___"I saw or heard something extraordinary."

faith___"I believe it is true because my parents taught me, I feel it in my heart, many others think the same thing, and I have faith."

skeptic___"We used logic and reason to guide us to our answers. Many others found the same thing. It makes sense with everything else I know. This makes the most sense to me.



Claiming faith is more valid than logic and reason is something I must disagree with.

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I didn't get how the proof was related to the question.

[DaFlamingPotato]

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I didn't get how the proof was related to the question.

I wanted to define proof verses the two and which one was closer.

[Janoo2000]

I wanted to define proof verses the two and which one was closer.

I suppose proof was.

[Nickzta]

Does the future exist?

[Glow In The Dark]

Does the future exist?

Yeah, just wait a few seconds and you'll see it.

[PooZy]

Yeah, just wait a few seconds and you'll see it.

But how can you prove it exists without waiting a few seconds?

[Glow In The Dark]

But how can you prove it exists without waiting a few seconds?

I can in a minute or so!

[Rammjet]

Does the future exist?

Does the future not exist until the moment it becomes the present?

and afterwards does the past stop existing if the only way we can verify it is through traces it leaves in the present?

[J3NNiF3R]

But how can you prove it exists without waiting a few seconds?

timezones!

[*Thump*]

In the beginning, there were two gods, Hesaman and Shesnot, and they were a very happy pair. Together they created the Earth, The Underland, and the Aboveland. They populated the Earth with Cactiki and wild beasts, and lived together in the Underland, and had many children, Eneles the Sun goddess, Ollopa, the Moon god, Aquilla, the Snail god, Planair, the Sky god, Achtuuoh, the Ocean god, Omanom, the Food goddess, and Jeremy, the Death god. For decades everything was blissful, the Cactiki harvested the crops provided by Omanom, and hunted the lesser beasts that inhabited the Earth. But one fateful day, Jeremy got into a fight with Hesaman, and was cast up into the Aboveland to live in exile forever. However, Jeremy took the souls of some of the nasty dead and vicious beasts, and twisted them into horrible monsters, which he sent down to torment the Cactiki and his fellow Gods. And so the Cactiki people learned to fight against the evil Monsters of Jeremy, and they did fight, forever and always until the day Sensor came and killed everyone except me.

[Glow In The Dark]

In the beginning, there were two gods, Hesaman and Shesnot, and they were a very happy pair. Together they created the Earth, The Underland, and the Aboveland. They populated the Earth with Cactiki and wild beasts, and lived together in the Underland, and had many children, Eneles the Sun goddess, Ollopa, the Moon god, Aquilla, the Snail god, Planair, the Sky god, Achtuuoh, the Ocean god, Omanom, the Food goddess, and Jeremy, the Death god. For decades everything was blissful, the Cactiki harvested the crops provided by Omanom, and hunted the lesser beasts that inhabited the Earth. But one fateful day, Jeremy got into a fight with Hesaman, and was cast up into the Aboveland to live in exile forever. However, Jeremy took the souls of some of the nasty dead and vicious beasts, and twisted them into horrible monsters, which he sent down to torment the Cactiki and his fellow Gods. And so the Cactiki people learned to fight against the evil Monsters of Jeremy, and they did fight, forever and always until the day Sensor came and killed everyone except me.

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you're not funny

[aNiMaL zEr0]

Atheists have faith that the proof of a God is non existent.

[Nikolaj]

Atheists have faith that the proof of a God is non existent.

It's essentially the other way around - atheists lack faith in God. Atheism, as defined, is the lack in belief of a deity - an absence of this faith in a higher being. You wouldn't say a non-golfer has a hobby of not playing golf; that's just ridiculous.

[Rammjet]

Atheists have faith that the proof of a God is non existent.

Cancel the negatives to reach simplest sentence.*

Atheists have faith that the proof of a God is non existant.

Theists have faith that the proof of a God is existant.

Simplest sentence we arrive at is a claim, and therefore deposits the burden of proof on the subject, which is theism.

*We cancel sentences to their simplest forms because double negatives can be employed to falsely represent a subject. For example 'Bill lacks faith in non-evidence for dragons,' is more correctly phrased as 'Bill believes there is evidence for dragons' Bill is required to prove his claim, not to dress it in double negatives.


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So why do we phrase claims in their most simple form to find the claimant and give them the burden of proof?

Because negative claims are impossible to prove, as will be demonstrated with two claims, one positive and one negative.

Positive: Somewhere in the amazon jungle there is a crashed flying saucer.
Negative: There is no crashed flying saucer in the amazon.

The Positive claim can be proven, because the amazon rain forest can be searched and a flying saucer may as a result be found and the claim proven.

The Negative claim can not be proven so easily, because however much the amazon is searched a lack of flying saucer can be rationalised as 'you didn't look hard enough,', or 'the saucer is invisible,' or 'you don't even want to find the saucer do you?'.

Therefore the burden of proof is fairly deposited on the positive claim, because that's our best chance of finding an answer. Until the positive claim is proven correct those of a negative position are fully justified to be skeptical.

[Janoo2000]

In the beginning, there were two gods, Hesaman and Shesnot, and they were a very happy pair. Together they created the Earth, The Underland, and the Aboveland. They populated the Earth with Cactiki and wild breasts, and lived together in the Underland, and had many children, Eneles the Sun goddess, Ollopa, the Moon god, Aquilla, the Snail god, Planair, the Sky god, Achtuuoh, the Ocean god, Omanom, the Food goddess, and Jeremy, the Death god. For decades everything was blissful, the Cactiki harvested the crops provided by Omanom, and hunted the lesser beasts that inhabited the Earth. But one fateful day, Jeremy got into a fight with Hesaman, and was cast up into the Aboveland to live in exile forever. However, Jeremy took the souls of some of the nasty dead and vicious breasts, and twisted them into horrible monsters, which he sent down to torment the Cactiki and his fellow Gods. And so the Cactiki people learned to fight against the evil Monsters of Jeremy, and they did fight, forever and always until the day Censor came and killed everyone except me.

...Those were the words I found out I read wrong after reading it the second time (This is how I read it first time x3)

[Rammjet]

I found this video very interesting, it seeks out and dismantles arguments in favour of holding ideas as true for reasons unrelated to whether those ideas are indeed true.

For example believing something because it makes you feel safe rather than because you can genuinely arrive at this ideas as true through reason or evidence.

[Red Hackdaw]

I could never live my life thinking their is not SOMETHING after death. Ive been raised a thiest my whole life and it would have to take a lot to change that. Of course if I was given an option to not be influenced by my parents when I was young and choose for myself it could have been a different outcome but thats the only way religions survive these days. Parents pass down beliefs to children.

[Sanity?]

What's really the point in being an athiest? Why spread your depressing beliefs that everything is so pointless? Filling kids heads up with the idea that there's a happy ending is best for everybody. Ever heard of lying for the right reasons?

I'd be overjoyed if the entire world had no idea that death might not be a cozy relaxing flight to a heaven. I would give anything to reset my mind so I couldn't feel the pain, and if some of you are right, that nothing happens and you're just dead, then it won't matter, but at least the ride down won't be so depressing.

I don't believe in god, but I'm not so ignorant to believe that anything I say is true, or ignorant enough to debate something that will never reach a conclusion.

Why do athiests want others to agree with them so much? Once you convince them, whats really the point?

[Red Hackdaw]

What's really the point in being an athiest? Why spread your depressing beliefs that everything is so pointless? Filling kids heads up with the idea that there's a happy ending is best for everybody. Ever heard of lying for the right reasons?

I'd be overjoyed if the entire world had no idea that death might not be a cozy relaxing flight to a heaven. I would give anything to reset my mind so I couldn't feel the pain, and if some of you are right, that nothing happens and you're just dead, then it won't matter, but at least the ride down won't be so depressing.

I don't believe in god, but I'm not so ignorant to believe that anything I say is true, or ignorant enough to debate something that will never reach a conclusion.

Why do athiests want others to agree with them so much? Once you convince them, whats really the point?

Im confused?