maybe im not sure but i guess it could be real
no but if yes this god is a jerk
yes but i do wonder sometimes if its true
derp. Anyway carry on, I seriously doubt you guys will stop
No matter what I just said, It was shit and it was real.
And anyway if god cannot do everything then by definition he isn't all powerful. All powerful DOESN'T MEAN you can't make mistakes. Even so, God has changed his mind in the bible (old and new testament) so you could look at that like he made mistakes first time around.
All powerful means you have the power to do anything and everything. It doesn't mean you can't make mistakes.
Also @ Azula: Science doesn't work on 'if we can't see it then it's not real'.
A sensible hypothesis, supported by the evidence, is that humans don't grow their limbs back because our biology has not evolved to accomplish that task, and that praying won't bring your limbs back because God is imaginary. [whereas medical science, which is real, can reattach severed limbs]
...God cannot contradict himself? Oh dear, maybe you should check that one. ;3
all-powerful does not mean 'can't make mistakes', that's not the definition at all. All-powerful means 'unlimited capability/power', which includes the capacity to make mistakes. All-powerful is furthermore not a synonym for perfection, because the definitions are different, that's quite obvious.
-To 'save' people [usually a theistic viewpoint but equally some atheists might think theists are wasting their lives in dedication to false Gods]
-To surpress or explore your own doubts.etc
There's a streak of solid applicaiton as well, because many people who believe in deities also use their deities as a rationale for living their lives, so there's quite a general difference between a whole variety of world views of both theists and atheists and therefore this discussion is a catalyst for comparing those other ideas too.
Much much better than quoting a holy text.
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Duh, maybe people who are other religions don't believe him, but yeah he is real. He just spends his time in heaven... And he has JV!!
i think there is a creator or creators, because in order for us to be here there has to be a creator
has it been proved that any of the gods in any of the religions exists? we seem to have to make up so many weird rationalizations to believe in these gods which I find very strange
In the Bible it appears to me that god demands many sacrifices but In the modern society murder is against the law and is very devastating to most people but that is something that appears to happen in the Bible very often
I find it hard to believing in a god that murders.
isn't the Bible we read today written by men?
God exsists. Without God how would we be here.
Karma wuz here
Anyway, there already consistant and good explanations about how we got here.
-The big bang event generated our universe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang
-Over time the matter of our universe cooled and condensed under gravity into stars.
-The stars fused hydrogen nuclei to make new elements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_evolution
-Planets condensed out of these new elements.
-Life formed on the planets due to chemical reactions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
-Life evolved over billions of years, resulting in all the species we know today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
That's where we came from, thousands of the smartest people ever to have lived contributed to these sciences over hundreds of years.
Here's an article I found.
COMMENTARY | Last week, the Discovery Channel introduced a new TV show, "Curiosity." For the first episode, the producers couldn't wait to tell us there is no God. They got together with Stephen Hawking, the world-famous physicist known for studying the origins of the universe and having an atheistic worldview.
Hawking is, sadly, overtaken by amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (Lou Gehrig's disease). He's completely unable to move or speak, but his mind is fully functional. A machine synthesizes his thoughts into computer-vocalized words. So the presentation alternates between his computerized voice and a professional narrator.
Hawking apologizes twice within the broadcast, stating he doesn't mean to offend people of faith with his belief that there is no God; he just feels he's found compelling evidence that God doesn't exist.
But the Discovery Channel's dialogue doesn't apologize for stating that people who believe in God have no courage. "Only the brave" will discover the truth that God isn't real, the narrator says.
So what is this evidence that God doesn't exist?
Hawking's position is that a "cosmic cookbook" of three ingredients makes up the universe: Matter, Energy and Space.
But, the narrator asks, who created matter? What created energy? And why is there space?
Since Einstein discovered with his E = MC2 theory that mass and energy are one and the same, the "answer" is they came from the spontaneous "Big Bang." The narrator acknowledges this is the moment that some people feel God created everything.
But Hawking proposes that space and energy materialized out of nothingness through negative energy, which he describes like the space left when soil is dug out of a hole. The negative energy is the empty space; the discarded soil is mass and energy.
Hawking says if the universe adds up to nothing, like the hole, you don't need a God to create nothing.
The Big Bang -- something being created out of nothing -- is explained through quantum mechanics. The universe was once smaller than a proton, and could simply have popped into existence.
And what created quantum laws? Hawking says the solution is fusion. Inside the sun, hydrogen atoms joined to form helium, releasing enormous energy. And hydrogen came from the Big Bang.
The big conclusion
Hawking believes the final key to removing the need for a Grand Designer is the beginning of time. And where did time begin? The Big Bang. Since time began with the Big Bang, there was no previous moment in time for any God to create the Big Bang.
The Discovery Channel ends with the narrator saying, "And there you have it." As if this rabbit chase proves without a doubt that there's no God.
Hawking takes a partly biblical view without realizing it. At one point, he states that some Bible believers claim disabilities like his come from doing something God wouldn't condone, but he feels his ailment was caused by forces of nature.
To a degree, Hawking is saying the same thing as Jesus. When the disciples saw a blind man, they asked Jesus: "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him." Then, Jesus healed the man (John 9:1-11 NKJV).
Believers find this more compelling than the world coming out of nothing. What would be additionally compelling? Scientists should spend less time trying to disprove God and more time ending suffering from diseases like Hawking's ALS.
Sheryl Young has been freelance writing for newspapers, magazines, organizations and websites since 1997. Her specialty is American politics, education and society as they intersect with religion. Credits include Community Columnist for the Tampa Tribune Newspaper, Interview Columnist with Light & Life Magazine, and a National First Place "Roaring Lambs" Writing Award from the Amy Foundation.
Rammjet debates on this thread because he wants to; this thread was specifically made for debating, not for protesting against people who want to debate and requesting a lock.
Red Jackdaw put this very well:
If you don't want to post in this thread, or you don't care - please don't.
Its totally unnecessary to disrupt the thread for those who do want to debate sensibly. You can just stay off the thread if you dislike it.
That is an interesting question; however, intelligent designers/theists do not say that God is eternal merely to "fit their ideas"; it is based on the fact that if God is not eternal, something must have created Him. Otherwise, you are saying that God arose from nothingness. God created the whole universe; time and entropy are the reasons why things expire/die. The fact that God created these concepts show that he has complete control over them; that is, he is not subject to the laws he himself created.
I've posted previously on this topic and others similar in greater depth; if you want to read it, you can go to this link: http://jiggmin.com/threads/55500-Doe...=1#post1814247
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