... this isn't much of a discussion over god's existance anymore...
yes
maybe im not sure but i guess it could be real
no
no but if yes this god is a jerk
yes but i do wonder sometimes if its true
... this isn't much of a discussion over god's existance anymore...
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Well this seems exciting.
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"...I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture. A city where the artist would not fear the censor. Where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality. Where the great would not be constrained by the small. And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well."
WRONG Arrrrrrrk says the pirate
on a related note, what does the fourth option mean?
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In conclusion, it's an old, useless, off-topic thread.
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You cant say you will disprove someones theory before you heard it. Sorry man, the bible means nothing to me. It is not a book of facts.
Im assuming you will be reffering to the bible. Lol
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This is the most topic I've seen being discussed BY FAR.
It's interesting anyway. And the astronomy and chemistry is being called into question by blackie, who believes it is not a solid mean to use it for proof that god doesn't exist.
Debates tend to go into smaller debates.
"...I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture. A city where the artist would not fear the censor. Where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality. Where the great would not be constrained by the small. And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well."
Some arcy story info
Apparantly noah had to take 7 of every 'clean' beast- which would mean 7 sheep, 7 horses, etc. This is adding to the population problem already.
Noah wasn't asked to take earth worms, without which soil would not exist for long on the 'new world'.
Mount aratat may be the highest mountain visible to people around the middle eastern region this story was written in...but it's not the highest point on earth- so himalayan peoples would not have been destroyed by this flood etc.
Noah's family would have been left with the choice of extinction or incest on their new world, but this seems very regular in a holy text which claims 2 people were responsible for the entire human race. That's sounds like a lot of brother on sister action.
By collecting every species of animal noah would have had to circumnavigate the earth many times- furthermore, we now find animals in specific geographical locations, if the story were correct then every suitable species should be found on mount aratat or the surrounding land- and yet the mountain has an ecosystem specific to its isolation from other world ecoregions.
Things don't add up.
Raar!
Yea, the noah's ark story doesn't even make sense.
well think about it, the first evolved humans had to survive so yes, there was tonz of "brother sister action" when u think about it '-'
What's worse is that adam and eve had two sons, and one of them died! That means the dad and the son had to take turns! D: (the son was also given an ugliness after yahweh revenged upon him for killing his brother)
What a nice family.
Raar!
Brotherly love :3
thats is one of the things that made me wonder how?
im annoyed at how the only theists in jv are christians :/ so i dont get to choose a side
It's odd that you took some of the most popular contradictions, you didn't google this did you>? Just wondering...
Ok first off, heres what the Bible says: Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the land, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6:6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man in the land, and He was grieved in His heart.
6:7 And the LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."
6:8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
6:9 These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.
6:10 And Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
6:11 Now the people of the earth were corrupt in the sight of God, and the land was filled with violence.
6:12 And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way in the land.
6:13 Then God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the land.
6:14 "Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; you shall make the ark with rooms, and shall cover it inside and out with pitch.
6:15 "And this is how you shall make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits.
6:16 "You shall make a window for the ark, and finish it to a cubit from the top; and set the door of the ark in the side of it; you shall make it with lower, second, and third decks.
6:17 "And behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the land, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under the sky; everything that is in the land shall perish.
6:18 "But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall enter the ark-- you and your sons and your wife, and your sons' wives with you.
6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female.
6:20 "Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind shall come to you to keep them alive.
6:21 "And as for you, take for yourself some of all food which is edible, and gather it to yourself; and it shall be for food for you and for them."
6:22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God had commanded him, so he did.
Genesis 7:1 Then the LORD said to Noah, "Enter the ark, you and all your household; for you alone I have seen to be righteous before Me in this time.
7:2 "You shall take with you of every clean animal by sevens, a male and his female; and of the animals that are not clean two, a male and his female;
7:3 also of the birds of the sky, by sevens, male and female, to keep offspring alive on the face of all the land.
7:4 "For after seven more days, I will send rain on the land forty days and forty nights; and I will blot out from the face of the land every living thing that I have made."
7:5 And Noah did according to all that the LORD had commanded him.
7:6 Now Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of water came upon the land.
7:7 Then Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives with him entered the ark because of the water of the flood.
7:8 Of clean animals and animals that are not clean and birds and everything that creeps on the ground,
7:9 there went into the ark to Noah by twos, male and female, as God had commanded Noah.
7:10 And it came about after the seven days, that the water of the flood came upon the land.
7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.
7:12 And the rain fell upon the land for forty days and forty nights.
7:13 On the very same day Noah and Shem and Ham and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark,
7:14 they and every beast after its kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creeps on the land after its kind, and every bird after its kind, all sorts of birds.
7:15 So they went into the ark to Noah, by twos of all flesh in which was the breath of life.
7:16 And those that entered, male and female of all flesh, entered as God had commanded him; and the LORD closed it behind him.
7:17 Then the flood came upon the land for forty days; and the water increased and lifted up the ark, so that it rose above the land.
7:18 And the water prevailed and increased greatly upon the land; and the ark floated on the surface of the water.
7:19 And the water prevailed more and more upon the land, so that all the high hills everywhere under the sky were covered.
7:20 The water prevailed fifteen cubits higher, and the hills were covered.
7:21 And all flesh that moved on the land perished, birds and cattle and beasts and every swarming thing that swarms upon the land, and all mankind;
7:22 of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, died.
7:23 Thus He blotted out every living thing that was upon the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky, and they were blotted out from the land; and only Noah was left, together with those that were with him in the ark.
7:24 And the water prevailed upon the land one hundred and fifty days.
Genesis 8:1 But God remembered Noah and all the beasts and all the cattle that were with him in the ark; and God caused a wind to pass over the land, and the water subsided.
8:2 Also the fountains of the deep and the floodgates of the sky were closed, and the rain from the sky was restrained;
8:3 and the water receded steadily from the land, and at the end of one hundred and fifty days the water decreased.
8:4 And in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark rested upon the foothills of Ararat.
8:5 And the water decreased steadily until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the hills became visible.
8:6 Then it came about at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made;
8:7 and he sent out a raven, and it flew here and there until the water was dried up from the land.
8:8 Then he sent out a dove from him, to see if the water was abated from the face of the land;
8:9 but the dove found no resting place for the sole of her foot, so she returned to him into the ark; for the water was on the surface of all the land. Then he put out his hand and took her, and brought her into the ark to himself.
8:10 So he waited yet another seven days; and again he sent out the dove from the ark.
8:11 And the dove came to him toward evening; and behold, in her beak was a freshly picked olive leaf. So Noah knew that the water was abated from the land.
8:12 Then he waited yet another seven days, and sent out the dove; but she did not return to him again.
8:13 Now it came about in the six hundred and first year, in the first month, on the first of the month, the water was dried up from the land. Then Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and behold, the surface of the ground was dried up.
8:14 And in the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the land was dry.
8:15 Then God spoke to Noah, saying,
8:16 "Go out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and your sons' wives with you.
8:17 "Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you, birds and animals and every creeping thing that creeps on the land, that they may breed abundantly in the land, and be fruitful and multiply in the land."
8:18 So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives with him.
8:19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every bird, everything that moves on the land, went out by their families from the ark.
8:20 Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
8:21 And the LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, "I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.
8:22 "While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, And cold and heat, And summer and winter, And day and night Shall not cease."
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Continuing my other post...
The Bible clearly says it happened and killed everyone except Noah and his family.
Now since we have people who don't go by the Bible, I will provide some explanations.
~Most Creationists agree that Noah took about 2,000 animals in all.
~Noah wouldn't have taken a Border Collie, Fox Terrier, Golden Retriever, etc. He probably would have taken a few different types of dogs, from those, we have produced the vast amount of dogs we have today. ~For those of you who were asking where he got the food from look at verse 6:21.
~I explained above how the amount of clean animals would have not been a problem. (Also, many different species of "clean" animals living today may not have existed back then.)
~For dinosaurs, the average size of them was no larger than a sheep. He obviously didn't take the largest of the largest, he probably took juvenile ones.
~We have found over 250 stories of a certain disaster in which everyone died except a few people in different cultures, here's an example of one:There are over 200 ones similar, and they all share a common aspect: A great disaster happened in which only a few amount of people died, they carried a lot of animals with them, and they let a dove loose.Southwest Tanzania
Once upon a time the rivers began to flood. The god told two people to get into a ship. He told them to take lots of seed and to take lots of animals. The water of the flood eventually covered the mountains. Finally the flood stopped. Then one of the men, wanting to know if the water had dried up let a dove loose. The dove returned. Later he let loose a hawk which did not return. Then the men left the boat and took the animals and the seeds with them.
~This is undeniable evidence in front of your eyes that a great disaster happened, you notice how a "god" talks to them, not just a person. This was not a natural disaster as is killed everything on earth.
~This is what creationists say about the flood:It obviously could kill everything much more efficiently than your "asteroid" can.Noah’s Flood was much more destructive than any 40-day rainstorm ever could be. Scripture says that the “fountains of the great deep” broke open. In other words, earthquakes, volcanoes, and geysers of molten lava and scalding water were squeezed out of the earth’s crust in a violent, explosive upheaval. These fountains were not stopped until 150 days into the Flood—so the earth was literally churning underneath the waters for about five months! The duration of the Flood was extensive, and Noah and his family were aboard the Ark for over a year.
Relatively recent local floods, volcanoes, and earthquakes—though clearly devastating to life and land—are tiny in comparison to the worldwide catastrophe that destroyed “the world that then existed” (2 Peter 3:6). All land animals and people not on board the Ark were destroyed in the floodwaters—billions of animals were preserved in the great fossil record we see today.
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Very good, I will quote these one at a time.
This contradiction, also called: "Distant Starlight Theory" has been opposing creationists for quite a while. Until recently, there was no "good" explanation, some thought that God created the light beams in place but this actually contradicts the Bible, others said that there were "time zones" that made it so the light could travel in 4,000 years.
1. This new discovery is quite amazing and you'll have to think outside the box to understand it.
Ok, this discovery wasn't actually discovered by creationists, it was discovered by Albert Einstein. Now, until recently, most scientists have agreed that the velocity of an object doesn't affect the time or length of something. Albert Einstein, however differed. He said that it did. Our experience with this has in fact showed that velocity does affect time although we do not experience this in our daily lives as we don't usually drive our cars at the speed of light. However; scientists have experimented with very small particles and have sped them up to nearly the speed of light and have found it to act exactly as Einstein said it would. First off, we all agree that light is extremely fast, it goes at 186,000 miles in a second.
Now for the theory.
This theory is hard to grasp so don't get mad if you can't.
First off, to test this is quite easy. Let's say you shine a normal flashlight down a long hall into a mirror. You time it and it says it took 2 seconds. Now, it is impossible to determine how fast the one way trip took. The round trip took 2 seconds but you can't determine the one way. Most people would just say it took 1 second to get there and one second to get back, however we have to assume this. The light could have taken 0 to get there and 2 seconds to get back and etc. Einstein says "we would appear as if we were moving in a logical circle" Einstein chose to suggest that the one way speed of light is in fact a a convention not a property. This may sound odd but that's what he said.
Reasons why you can't measure the one way trip of light...
1. You'd think that you could synchronize two clocks and move one to the mirror to determine how fast it took one way. Unfortunately, according to Einstein, the speed of light would affect the clock so you couldn't be sure it was still in sync after the light left.
2. Another thing is that you couldn't move one clock to the mirror and then synchronize the clocks as you'd have to know the one way speed of light in the first place.
~~~~This may sound confusing and I probably spent a couple hours trying to figure it out but in conclusion this is it:
Light can be instantaneous as long as it's an one way trip. That means that for light to get here it would be here, it wouldn't take any time at all.
I know that sounded weird, if you want to read more information, go here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...ony-convention So distant starlight isn't a problem, were still studying it but this is the newest and best explanations so far.
And now to the next so called "contradiction"
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Well..... another one of these threads eh? Wanting some useless debating? Wanting to start a Flame War? Well... I don't, but I feel like contributing to the debate anyways.
Okay, does god exist?
In my opinion it sounds king of impossible, and I don't think anybody in my Religion Education class would argue with me saying that, considering how bored they look and how cheeky they are to him.Sometimes I think if he does exist, he's not very helpful, letting all the natural disasters and everything happen. I certainly haven't seen a big headline in a newspaper like this: GOD STOPS HURRICANE, SAVES THOUSAND OF PEOPLE anywhere. But I'm not going to try and contradict anyone who does believe in him because hey, that's just what they believe in, and we have to respect that.
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