Believing is not about scientific proof
yes
maybe im not sure but i guess it could be real
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no but if yes this god is a jerk
yes but i do wonder sometimes if its true
Believing is not about scientific proof
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No it's not. Which is partly why it's absurd.Originally Posted by Dealth 2.5
To use an old example, I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster who is the creator of the Universe. I have no proof to back it up, but I believe in him. He also says that all black people should be slaves. I'm going to go ahead and petition for that to be true now.
Beliefs are okay. Forcing the opinions of those beliefs on others is not.
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Here in the Universe I find some things that are so hard to understand.
The vastness of space just takes my breath away I see through history. - Stratovarius (Timo Kotipelto)
God is imaginary. If he's so real and great, then he would appear behind me and slam my head into the keyboard.
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Nothing. I knew it. I'd rather worship Satan than believe in God. Too bad he is non-existant as well. T'is a shame.
Shades of colors are all I see
Shapes and colors are all I feel
Roses are red, You better get ready.
Bend your ass over, UR GETTING SPAGHETTI
You would rather worship the entity of all sin? That seems rather foolish. If God existed, I'd very much worship him instead of the opposite of all good.
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Here in the Universe I find some things that are so hard to understand.
The vastness of space just takes my breath away I see through history. - Stratovarius (Timo Kotipelto)
Guise, we gotta remember, that this forum... Is full of children, who believe in silly things like Santa, Easter Bunny, God, and the Tooth Fairy.
Karma makes me want to drive my head into a wall.
No, no, God is far from good. He loves us, but if we do him wrong, he, an entity of both eternal Creation amd forgivenes, shows you the metaphorical door that is Hell forever? Where you perish? Forever? Talk about overbearing. This is the same guy that accepts all people as equal, and created them equal, yet forbids the gays and leaves the third world to suffer? Who the hell does that? Only God, of course.
May I also add that the Devil is superior to God? I mean, God is the creator of everything, but he won't dare mess with an obviously lesser entity? Yeah, okay.
Shades of colors are all I see
Shapes and colors are all I feel
Roses are red, You better get ready.
Bend your ass over, UR GETTING SPAGHETTI
Do you need some help with that, good sir? Maybe you would rather place a steel file in your big-toe-nail and kick the nearest wall with full force?
Shades of colors are all I see
Shapes and colors are all I feel
Roses are red, You better get ready.
Bend your ass over, UR GETTING SPAGHETTI
...God CREATED the Devil. He is the Devil as punishment.
And I'm talking about the ideological all good God. Not necessarily the God depicted in the Bible.
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Here in the Universe I find some things that are so hard to understand.
The vastness of space just takes my breath away I see through history. - Stratovarius (Timo Kotipelto)
hey I've never said anything in this thread
Ok when I first joined jv, I was convinced that there was a god, but now not really
I mean i always used to ignore the arguments, and when I decided to listen to them, I realized how wrong the religion was. So many things I learned made me less and less into my religion, till I lost it completely
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Hmm... I guess he's good in that sense. But I still don't believe in himTo be honest, since becoming agnostic a few months ago, I hate any and all notions of a Creator, and I feel religion, all religions, are a waste of time.
Shades of colors are all I see
Shapes and colors are all I feel
Roses are red, You better get ready.
Bend your ass over, UR GETTING SPAGHETTI
They help quite a few people. They also established a generally acceptable morality worldwide. Religion has done good. It also has done extreme bad.Hmm... I guess he's good in that sense. But I still don't believe in him
I have no problem with religious beliefs as long as they meet three criteria:
The belief does't require it to be forced on others (Nor do followers force it willingly)
It does not take away the rights of other people
It does not impede the steady progress of universal knowledge
Unfortunately, nearly all religions break one of these three tenants. Humorously, Buddhism, the one LEAST like a religion, is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that DOES follow these three things.
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Here in the Universe I find some things that are so hard to understand.
The vastness of space just takes my breath away I see through history. - Stratovarius (Timo Kotipelto)
The thing is your wrong.
There is proof of Jesus living.
He is not only mentioned in the Bible, he's also mentioned in books by some atheists even.
It does say there were miracles. We will never no for sure if those actually happened but we do know he existed.
You don't have to believe he is 'God-like' but you can't deny he existed.
Practically every single thing you said is false.
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I believe Jesus existed, personally, but I have seen break-downs all over the Internet of every argument for his existence that basically stems from anecdotal evidence.
But that's irrelevant. I'm not arguing Jesus's existence. I'm arguing God's. I just did the same thing with the FSM that you do with your God and that every religion does with their God.
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Here in the Universe I find some things that are so hard to understand.
The vastness of space just takes my breath away I see through history. - Stratovarius (Timo Kotipelto)
Some of you may not understand this, but it is easier to say no than yes. It is easier to mock the existence of a God, saying "random guy up in the sky that murders people? yeah right." but when it comes down to it, I just learned to swallow my pride. I believe I am right, and if I am I gain all, if I am not I lose nothing. Then again, I have no doubt... It is never about science. It is about faith. Never is it a valid argument to say "does he exist, or not?" and back it up with irrelevant facts (for both sides). There will come a time when life ends. What is left afterwards? Does worldly knowledge still mean much to you when it comes to life or death? If you are about to die, will you still mock existence or will you praying for a miracle? It is a gamble. Not a gamble for life, but a gamble for eternity.
Most of us try to avoid reality. Now before you quote this saying "dealth you are stupid"... I am being realistic. It is the most pointless thing to waste your time on. Arguing that there is nothing after life. Well, are you happy with your life? I know I have my regrets, and so do you.
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You believe that it is more difficult to live in a world where life will continue indefinitely than it is to live in a world where you must face your own mortality? It is more difficult to live in a world where the "bad" are definitively punished and the "good" are definitively rewarded? It is more difficult to live in a world that isn't obstructed by fact than it is to have your opinions possibly be thrown aside as soon as a piece of evidence shows up?
Pascal's Wager is silly. If you're wrong, and you TRULY live as a Christian, you lose free will. Absurd amounts of it. You have to live life according to what the word of God states and follow His instruction. And you have no more chance of being safe for following Christianity than atheists do. What is Islam is correct? Or Sihkism. Hell, what if the Egyptians were all correct? Or what if there's a god and he only accepts those who question his existence? You don't have any better chance than anyone else.
No, I am not happy with life. I would prefer death to life. But I can't do that. But at least I'm able to try and appreciate that what I have now is truly important.
Last edited by Silverrida; 7th August 2012 at 11:50 AM.
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Here in the Universe I find some things that are so hard to understand.
The vastness of space just takes my breath away I see through history. - Stratovarius (Timo Kotipelto)
There really is not that many rules that come with christianity... at all, really
Also, if I am wrong, well I guess that's too bad for me :l you can not invest in everything, though
EDIT: Do not think of Christianity as something you sacrifice for. I find happiness in it.
Last edited by Dealth; 7th August 2012 at 03:40 AM.
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There are many things listed as sin that are oft broken, and repentance means you strive not to sin in the same manner again. Most of the things labelled as sins are ignored, though.
And Christianity is a sacrifice. Just one in which you find happiness.
I also think it deserves mention that the Bible states that God is the reason behind atheism and atheists. It states that God hardens the hearts of those he chooses toward faith in him.
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Here in the Universe I find some things that are so hard to understand.
The vastness of space just takes my breath away I see through history. - Stratovarius (Timo Kotipelto)
Of course it is easier to be atheist, everybody is born atheist.
It's harder to become atheist after being a member of a religion/cult than it is to join one though. Not that it matters.
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