yes
maybe im not sure but i guess it could be real
no
no but if yes this god is a jerk
yes but i do wonder sometimes if its true
As I see it, this is more of a science vs. religion kind of debate and what proves gods existence around that. How atheists believe in evolution while theists believe that god created everything etc.Originally Posted by DaFlamingPotato
Abortion is more personal opinion and what religion says about it.
It it isn't really relevant to god's existence while evolution somewhat is. There has been a "did evolution happen" thread btw.
I know what you mean, I just figured abortion was an acceptable topic. It's not really "DGE" anymore. Kind of a thread with mixed topics that relate to religion, morality, and science. I assume next we'll be talking about politics.
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Personally, I believe in God and would not like to argue with any atheists or anyone. I will have a heated religion talk with someone over tinychat if they so desire. (I am presbyterian)
I just had to.
Agreed.
I just don't want this thread to be locked by some buthurt mod/admin because it's slightly off topic.
Don't worry, this thread has been worlds off topic before, it will never see a lock because before it was made there would be 5 of these threads running at the same time, all off topic! x3
I think the fact this thread strays so freely off topic says something about the vague slipperiness of the actual topic it's meant to deal with, because as has become evident many theists use 'god' to block up holes in human understanding, or their own personal ignorances...so when you approach the topic of 'god' you inevitably orbit those misunderstood topics instead.
That's why, I think, most of this discussion has focussed on the origins of the universe, because that's a nice dissonance for people to place their belief in gods...and with them all their lost hopes dreams and personal fears...in to, where they can hence be ignored as incomprehensible or divine.
Raar!
Had anyone noticed celebrities "claim" to be satanists... It raises questions 0.o
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Which celebrities?
I think crackpots claiming that 'michael jackson's music has hidden satanic messages!' are far more common.
Raar!
I think this thread has never been on topic for a constant few pages yet..
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I don't think this thread has even been on-topic. It's more like a argue about your disagreements thread.
You imply that everything has to have a creator.
*sigh*
Pain, hurts doesn't it?
Many theists rationalise pain as a punishment or test from a conversely all-knowing all-loving God, who decided to create humanity either just for the hell of it, or as part of some incomprehensible rational, like a demented figure hosting a teaparty with their toys.
But what is pain actually about- and what does it mean about the emergence of life in general?
In my view a benevolent deity would not require to create a universe with suffering and the rationalisations of incomprehensibility and punishment are poor- because they're either incomprehensible or down right paranoid/often wrong.
I think that conscious life can only appear spontaneously in a universe with suffering, because the possibility of harm provides an advantage to organisms able to avoid harm, either with reflex reactions or more complex anticapation and understanding- which can prevent creatures from ever coming in the way of serious harm. In a game scenario, where there are beneficial and harmful options, the emergence of a concept of pain is catalytic for the advance of species.
From this perspective the emergence of intelligent life fits into a working theory that a potential to suffer demands a sophisticated response from the organism- and this is exactly what is evident in our own planet's history:
sufferous events have pushed forwards the drive for intelligence.
-Our planet has day and night cycles, which lead to the development of chemical clocks in most organisms to anticipate when they should be most active, the birth of anticipation, an important aspect of intelligence.
-The KT extinction toppled the world of the dinosaurs, which had relatively simple brains, and allowed avian and mammalian groups to excel, often using juvenile skull types to house bigger brains.
-A Super volcanic disaster in the Indian subcontinent killed off homo species which had smaller braincases and less sophisticated evident behaviours, whilst benefiting the spread of homo sapiens, who outcompeted them.
etcetera
We live in a world of suffering because that's a probable mechanism for the precipitation of intelligence, not because of powerful gods seeking to punish the unfaithful.
Raar!
A simple answer, that's how we all enter this thread. Welcome to the atheist side. :3
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and unlike so many, they didn't enter this thread asserting that 'this will be my only comment on the matter,'. x3
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