Now you're calling me dumb and ignorant. Did I ever call you dumb or ignorant, or indeed any names? No. I barely even know you.Originally Posted by ~Twisted
I'm not sure JV is all it's cracked up to be.
yes
maybe im not sure but i guess it could be real
no
no but if yes this god is a jerk
yes but i do wonder sometimes if its true
Now you're calling me dumb and ignorant. Did I ever call you dumb or ignorant, or indeed any names? No. I barely even know you.
I'm not sure JV is all it's cracked up to be.
Not dumb and there are exceptions. But to be honest I find quite a lot of their arguments rather stupid.
Actually, I find you being more of a drama queen then stupid.
However if you do ignore facts and proof. Then I'd have to say you are at least a little bit or one of them.
Oh, and I'm not all of JV, just one of the members in the whole forum.
What I'm trying to say is. Don't hate the whole community because you are bothered by me.
@bold: that doesn't make sense. "However if you do ignore facts and proof." It'd be better if you said "however if you do ignore facts and proof, then I'd have to say you are a little bit of a least one of them." Who's the one ignoring facts now? xD
Same in your second paragraph.
That wasn't a fact that was a grammar mistake.
arf, why do you have to point out grammar errors as if anybody cares. His post is understandable and that's what matters. Also making a mistake isn't ignoring facts but honestly who cares.
yep, definitely ted
i'm only here to see ted's posts
i can't really go against any of you atheist's posts because i can't think of something smart-assy to say
Then God killed 2 trillion people? Oh shit.
Yes, I know the punctuation is bad.
So mark me condemned, and mark me as vacant
I'm out of mind and I'm out of sight
Strike through my name, forget my location
I'll stage a coup when the timing's right
-Absentee, Blue Sky Black Death
God exists.You're just blinded by science and shit. xP
You are extremely dumb.God exists.
It's basically the other way around.
Science is factual, religion is imaginaryGod exists.
dumbass
God exists.
On the contrary science has done the most to prevent blindness in this world.
Raar!
Why are we even trying to debate with an 11 year old?
They're bored.
Answer on all of life's questions.
Also the reason I'm on JV in the first place.
So mark me condemned, and mark me as vacant
I'm out of mind and I'm out of sight
Strike through my name, forget my location
I'll stage a coup when the timing's right
-Absentee, Blue Sky Black Death
Oh no, I've become blinded by logic!God exists.
Thanks for posting a link at least.
I'll try to keep this brief and I'll post links to more in depth answers which interestingly enough I've already answered. These go in order, so if you want to know what I’m talking about, go to the link that’s quoted directly above mine. I did skip some since its quite obvious the arguments have nothing to do with gods existence—in fact, they can’t even be considered arguments.
• “Inconsistent Revelations” do not necessarily prove that a God doesn’t exist. In fact, if we are trying to prove only that A god exists; not allah, or YWH, or something, then the multiple world religions we see today would lend credit to the idea that perhaps the idea that a deity exists is based on a common truth that has been changed over time. I myself choose to believe in Christianity since it interprets God in the best way.
• The Problem of Evil: In what way does this have anything whatsoever to do with God’s existence in any way shape or form? You have gone from the existence of God to his characteristics; this isn’t an evidence against gods existence, its evidence against his characteristics. See my rebuttal here: http://jiggmin.com/threads/55500-Doe...=1#post1755652
• Destiny of the Unevangelized: Again, what does this have to do with the existence of God?
• Poor Design: Give me an example of this poor design; additionally, what does this have to do with Gods existence? Just because humans make mistakes in some computer doesn’t mean they don’t exist, does it? See my rebuttal here: http://jiggmin.com/threads/55500-Doe...ed#post1807993
• Occams razor: The naturalistic theory can’t adequately explain all of the origin of the universe, or life as I’ve posted on several times. If you want a specific example of this, just ask me and I’d be happy to post.
• Russells Teapot: This fails to have anything at all to do with Gods existence; its just an argument about the burden of proof. See my rebuttal here: http://jiggmin.com/threads/55500-Doe...t.#post1895831
• Ultimate Boeing 747 gambit: See rebuttal here: http://jiggmin.com/threads/55500-Doe...pt#post1895127
• Omnipotence: As stated previously, God cannot do everything; he is a perfect deity. He is all powerful; all powerful means he cannot make mistakes since only weak, stupid beings such as humans make mistakes. The very fact that God does not make mistakes is what makes him all powerful. Perfection is not the ability to do anything; rather, it is the characteristic that allows you not to make any mistakes. God is all powerful; not necessarily 100% omnipotent.
• Problem of Hell: This is actually one of the topics I haven’t rebutted in great detail on this thread. Please go to this link since it explains it much better then I could: http://crusadefortruth.com/links/PDF..._for_Faith.pdf Go to the sixth Objection: A Loving God Would Never Torture People In Hell.
• Free Will: Again, as with the majority of alleged arguments against God, this argument fails to disprove the existence of God; all it does is argue against a certain characteristic of god. See rebuttal here: http://jiggmin.com/threads/55500-Doe...ke#post1895123
The arguments after this become even more sketchy and even less convincing, so I didn’t quote them. If there is a certain argument you want me to explain, or answer just give me a link.
As for the what created God argument, please go to this link: http://jiggmin.com/threads/55500-Doe...=1#post1895831
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