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Someone's skill at wars isn't very related to racing skill, yet nobody ever says that warring should not be allowed, even though it can get you more EXP than racing.
There was an exception for Fire-Bird because his case was different. He was offering to tell Jiggmin how to fix the EXP abuse, in exchange for the ability to use it for 1 week. (Essentially, he's trading information for EXP.)
Let me point out some ways how the amount of work someone has to put into racing to get a certain amount of EXP already varies, yet is not argued: 1) Natural skill level 2) knowledge of the game 3) practice 4) rank 5) how you play (race, hat fight, trap, war, etc.)
A specific example of EXP gain based on work varying is that I can get 100+ EXP on 99% of my race with almost no effort, yet the people I am racing can't get that much no matter how hard they try.
maybe it's fair logistically, but when you think about it, if someone can use their skills in a completely unrelated way to racing, then its not fair to be able to implement that to a game where people spend loads of time trying to rank up by racing...you know, the way it's supposed to be done.
and my thing about the theory of jiggmin's word being fair at all times when pertaining to pr2 is....why did he make an acception to firebird?
there are many people permabanned atm because of botting, but because he asks jiggmin, he gets to?
what if the other people WOULD HAVE asked jiggmin had they known it was possible to actually be allowed to hack?
not that i agree with their choice to hack, but i don't really see why firebird should be an acception to the rules
and let me rephrase that as i have done several times already
THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT IS PUT INTO RACING SHOULD DETERMINE HOW MUCH EXP POINTS YOU RECIEVE, NOT YOUR ABILITY TO HACK THE GAME
and you don't use hacking talents
because the game is not a test of how well you hack
So it IS based on what the rules are? If so, then since Jiggmin makes the rules, what Jiggmin says is fair.
The point of mentioning F@H or "what if trapping required a 3rd-party program" is to show that something being a 3rd party program does not affect if it's fair.
So someone is good, so they need less effort, and that's fair. So fairness is not based off effort as you said before.
And why not use hacking talent to gain ranks? Now you can't say it's because it doesn't take as much effort as racing.
but the rules say that botting is not allowed, so i don't see why firebird is the exception in this siuation
F@H was something approved by jiggmin because it is a POSITIVE program that does NOT help you in-game (besides the rewards, which were added by jiggmin)
and trapping is a style of play, not something that affects how quickly you rank up. i don't see how it would be bad
well if you have a natural talent for something, you can't really help that, but you still have to put the time in to win all of those races. sometimes people are freakishly good at racing (*cough* you *cough*), so if they use their talents to earn points, and it takes less work, then let it be; it's not like they're CHEATING to get a higher rank
Not everyone can agree what is deserved for botting. And the circumstances change what people would "decide".
Using F@H (A 3rd-party program) is rewarded, and not frowned upon by anyone. So what if hacking uses a 3rd party program? If trapping required one would it be bad?
Why do people deserve extra points because they happen to be better? They didn't work any harder for it.
(btw, knowing things helps a lot)
jiggmin decides what is REWARDED, but anyone can decide what is deserved for botting.
trapping should be reward tham more than how well they hack (though hacking should not be rewarded at all) because of the fact that trapping does not require a third-party program that helps ingame, which has been frowned upon in the past, and the only reason people are not against it is because jiggmin said it was okay.
if some people have more natural talent, more props to them! let them get the extra exp points they deserve. for the people with more knowledge, i'm not sure how that benefits you in a racing game besides anticipation, but if it's something like hacking, they should not be rewarded
How decides what is deserved for what efforts and work? Different people have different ideas of that. Some could say Fire-Bird deserves the high rank.
And since it's a racing game, why should how well they trap reward them any more than how well they hack?
And if people are only to get what they earn, what are you going to do about some people having more natural talent than others? Or more knowledge?
as fair as possible is everyone getting what they deserve for their efforts and hard work
and since it is a racing game, they should be rewarded on how well they race, or trap
not on how well they hack
and yeah, i know the analogy wasn't that good, but do you understand what i'm trying to say?
Why, then, are Jiggmin and the mods not making any effort to make things as fair as possible? What even is as fair as possible?
Even if the game itself is "fair", it doesn't mean that a whole new element that is added to the game and automatically deemed unfair.
fran10 using racing skills isn't a valid comparison, as in that case there is no exchange. (FireBird is exchanging the knowledge of how it's done for permission to do it.)